Yukio Hatoyama, Japan’s new Prime Minister: “A New Path for Japan”
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Again, I highly encourage FM readers to read Hatoyama’s Op-Ed, “A New Path for Japan.” There are a couple of very interesting points he made which I thought worth noting:
- Fundamentalist pursuit of capitalism which is attributed to the U.S.-led globalization is causing human dignity to be lost . . . . “globalism has progressed without any regard for non-economic values, or for environmental issues or problems of resource restriction.”
- Creation of an East Asian currency (like the Euro) and community while keeping U.S.-Japan security pact as a cornerstone.
- Japan is caught between a rising China and a powerful U.S., but Japan’s sphere is in Asia.
Near the end, he said:
“Therefore, I would suggest, somewhat paradoxically, that the issues that stand in the way of regional integration can only be truly resolved by moving toward greater integration. The experience of the E.U. shows us how regional integration can defuse territorial disputes.”
I feel this statement is extremely wise and one that I agree with wholeheartedly. At a personal level which all of us can relate to – when we have differences with our family and friends, it is usually easy to settle those. When we don’t like someone, the most minute difference could easily get us into the biggest fights.
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September 1st, 2009 at 10:30 pm
@huaren
When I am reading this op ed, I get a sense that he strongly desires reconciliation with China. However, he only addressed territorial disputes. He did not address the fact that Japanese History of WWII is still a little bit skewed and how he was going to fix that… Did you get the same impression that I did? In a way I felt this op ed was only for face value and nothing deeper…..
September 1st, 2009 at 10:44 pm
Hi miaka,
This WWII history question is especially tough today to resolve. So I agree with his view that the best way forward is towards integration. The specific thorny issues are then much easier to tackle.
The Europeans need to be thanked for getting this EU/Euro concept off the ground.
September 1st, 2009 at 11:56 pm
@Huaren
I think before they do the integration they need to own up to WWI and II mistakes. I think ultimately that is what made EU work with Germany and Italy involved because they did apologize for their mistakes. I don’t know the whole op ed makes me feel he is just skimming the surface for face value.
September 2nd, 2009 at 12:10 am
Hi miaka, #3,
I see what you are saying. He briefly mentioned how Japan and Asia view history is a source of conflict. For whatever it is worth, he at least mentions it.
I completely agree with you if Japan reconciles the history question first, then all these integration he talks about is much easier, and like you said, as was in Germany’s case for EU.
For me, if integration first to then allow this history issue to be solved, I think its fine. If Asia is on a single currency, then the chance of war between members are lot less likely. So I see that as a much more important goal.
My grandparents home was destroyed by Japanese bombers. My wife’s grandfather was kicked to death by Japanese soldiers. We need systems and organizations in place so members are less likely to go to war with each other.
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Yes, I do think that it might be a positive sign about mentioning the source of conflict between Japan and South Korea/China. Not sure what he would do but let’s see what happens.
I think that Mr Hatoyama mentioned about the wane of American influence in the world but there’s a consistent presence of US influence in the Asian region in Okinawa and DMZ zone in the Korean peninsula. Perhaps that maybe the Asian countries will have discussions to tell the US that they no longer need the protection? Well, I’m hopeful but I am not expecting anything.
September 2nd, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Chinadaily’s article about the DPJ’s Japan-China ties.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2009-09/02/content_8648311.htm
September 2nd, 2009 at 5:41 pm
@Pugster
Here’s an article you might find interesting on Hatoyama’s ambivalent attitude towards the United States.
http://www.observingjapan.com/2009/08/dpj-contemplates-its-opening-moves-with.html
The author, Tobias Harris, doesn’t seem to have much respect for Hatoyama personally, so you have to take it with a grain of salt, but when you look at the evidence, I think his assessment in this article and others- that Hatoyama’s talk about convincing Obama to remove troops from Okinawa and elsewhere, along with this idea of pan-Asian integration along EU lines, and especially the Asian currency idea is (or was) a lot of empty talk that sounded good during the campaign, but not at all realistic when considered seriously- is probably correct.
September 2nd, 2009 at 7:10 pm
I agree with Lime that the speech in the NY Times is mostly political boilerplate for a domestic audience. In fact, today’s NY Times had this article where Hatoyama says exactly that and begins to retreat on previous statements. “Stung by the reaction, Mr. Hatoyama appears to be back-pedaling and engaging in damage control. On Monday night, he said he had not intended for the article to appear abroad, and said it was being misinterpreted. “If you read the entire essay, you will understand that it is definitely not expressing anti-American ideas,” he said.”
Another evaluation of the election and subsequent decisions awaiting the DPJ appears here on Karel van Wolferen’s website. He ends by saying, “The Japanese who have been frustrated with unfulfilled expectations prompted by 16 years of promised fundamental change can only hope that their new government is given much time (and peace from scandal mongers) to work out an effective and productive collaboration between elected and career officials – simply the single greatest political problem of modern Japan.”
The DPJ was elected to get Japan out of its economic mess, not to change foreign policy. Japan has huge demographic problems, massive underemployment and unemployment, especially among its young, and a very inefficient distribution system throughout the country. One of Japan’s biggest problems is the lack of fundamentalist market reforms, not the implementation of them. I think he was appealing to the local xenophobic crowd with that statement, and that’s why he was embarrassed and retreated so quickly from what he said after it was translated and published by the NY Times. I agree with Tobias Harris that the DPJ just needs to stop giving speeches and spend time forming a cabinet and governing administration. They’ll certainly have their hands full over the next couple of years.
September 2nd, 2009 at 8:52 pm
I thought this was funny. He hasn’t been elected yet and the media started to talk about his wife.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32659678/ns/world_news-asiapacific/
September 2nd, 2009 at 10:03 pm
That is funny. Kind reminds me of Margaret Trudeau. Between Miyuki and the teachings of the late Count Coudenhove-Kalergi, Japanese politics stands a good chance of becoming a lot more colourful with Hatoyama at the helm.
September 2nd, 2009 at 10:21 pm
@ pug_ster #9: Wow! The media is going to have a field day with her. Kind of reminds me of Nancy Reagan and her astrological views except Miyuki is even more “out there”. 😛
I sent this story to my friend in Japan. I’m curious to read her reaction.
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:13 am
This op-ed being a political boilerplate or not … this election result is definitely a development worth noting …. since it can potentially open the door to to Japan’s reconciliation with China and the rest of Asia … allowing the entire East Asian region to drawn tighter together and ahead of schedule.
Sometimes, all you need is a catalyst to make interesting things happen – especially when all the ingredients are there.
We’ll have to wait to see if the DPJ victory turns out to be such a catalyst…
If a flip of a wing of a butterfly can potentially cause the formation of a storm halfway across the world, then this election definitely has the potential to bring much welcoming events to Asia.
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:32 am
@ Allen: Actually, I’ve read that because the DPJ isn’t the LDP, it has more leeway to put an end to long time disputes concerning the Japanese Army behavior during the war. The odds of this happening now, because of the DPJ’s different constituency, is far better than before. I’m also hoping they put this one to bed since it’s been hanging around far too long. The question is, will they be willing to pay compensation to the remaining victims? To me, that’s the make or break point.
Remember the original story where the time machine takes the hunter back to prehistoric times and he panics and steps off the raised path, then when he gets back to the future the world is completely different, Hitler won the war and the language is written phonetically? That’s when he discovers a crushed butterfly in his shoe. I remember that one from when I was a kid. 😀
September 3rd, 2009 at 4:17 am
@Allen & miaka- Reconciliation with China: I agree it would be positive if Japan makes some move to own up to WWI and WWII mistakes. Actually efforts have already been done in the past, and apologies already been asked, but clearly Japan has made much less for reconciliation than Germany did, for example.
Being realistic, I guess the course of action of the new PM will depend on how he expects the voters to react. Nationalistic feelings are very tricky and can mobilize many votes, so he will be careful with that. Ultimately it is about the Japanese public opinion. Those here who know Japan well: what is the feeling on the street over there? Do a large number of Japanese agree that there is more compensation/apologies to be given, War heroes shrines to be closed? Or most prefer not to speak about it?
@ Steve – Wots rong with de langwig riten foneticly? u shud lern from spanisch and pinyin!
September 3rd, 2009 at 4:34 am
@Steve #13,
Do you really think that Japan must be willing to pay compensation to the remaining victims?
I actually don’t know. I think if Japan stops distorting history, comes to grip nationally with its history with some genuine introspection, and formally apologizes – it should be ok without having to open the can of worms about paying money. Japan is already investing a lot of money in China. That – together with actions to mend the past and to chart a roadmap for integrating more tightly economically with China – should be almost enough… I think.
September 3rd, 2009 at 5:34 am
Hi Guys,
Thx for the links. Right now there is primarily a lot of reaction within the U.S.. I think China still is on a wait-and-see mode.
Regarding reconciliation with China – Japan has been granting low-interest loans to China for quite a while – only recently has this been scaled back. Japan also announced program to help establish a regional coordination body to pool resources to help fight crisis shortly after the Sichuan earth quake.
I share sentiment with Allen on this. China has not really put a precondition for the relationship to “normalize” – I think this is both pragmatic and of great foresight. I might add it is incredibly difficult to do by the Chinese government, because many ordinary Chinese citizen would prefer formal apology and correct history text books before anything else.
I agree with Steve that Japan has a domestic crisis. For one, its national debt is insane like that of the U.S..
In 2004, ASEAN and China made an FTA on goods to be achieved by 2010. Services and investments to follow soon after. I believe this FTA will eventually blanket the whole of East Asia, including South Korea and Japan. I can see this happening within the next decade. Its not hard to imagine an Asian currency 20-30 years from now.
September 3rd, 2009 at 12:33 pm
The election was good for Japanese democracy as a whole, and hopefully good for Japanese politics. It’s hard to predict what will actually happen, though, as Hatoyama has promised many things that would be unworkable if delivered together.
I’ve noticed that there’s already been a degree of backpeddling on the US-Japan alliance. Japan can’t tell the US to go take a hike because it still relies on it in part. To be rid of a US prescence it would have to significantly increase the defence budget and take years to reform the military. What will happen is an attempt to make the conditions the US stays in Japan more acceptable to the general public.
I like the idea of an “Asian” European Union, though I’m sure it won’t happen because of inevitable quarrels about membership. A joint currency is also probably pie in the sky because the economies are too divergent – I suspect that linked interest rates would always cause problems for someone.
Steve
The question is, will they be willing to pay compensation to the remaining victims? To me, that’s the make or break point.
I think we’re probably past the point where there will be more compensation – the Treaty of San Francisco formally dealt with that.
As for apologies, many have already been made. Some more might be, but I’m not sure they’ll be exceptionally different. I think it’s better to just improve relations rather than set down lists of red lines.
September 3rd, 2009 at 4:35 pm
This apology thing is something I’ve been wondering about. Since I started paying attention to Japanese politics (sometime in the early 2000s), I remember several occasions when Japanese prime ministers apologised in one way or another for World War II. Wikipedia, actually has a list;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan
In other sins-of-the-fathers issues like, I understand that the apologetic party will often avoid actually using the word ‘apology’ for fear that this could be interpretted as an admission that compensation is due. I believe Tony Blair’s apology- or expression of regret- for Britain’s involvement in the slave trade was an example of this. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/6185176.stm)
But looking at the list above, though, it seems that several Japanese prime ministers, most recently the celebrated Mr. K, have used the word apology. Can anyone explain why this apology thing is still an issue, or contribute a link to an article where the people demanding it (the PRC’s government, I guess), explain why they think it’s still an issue?
September 3rd, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Lime
Can anyone explain why this apology thing is still an issue
There are different reasons, but one is the accusation that “they’re not really sorry”. Which to me is just an admission that such people will never believe Japan/Japanese people are sorry whatever they say.
September 3rd, 2009 at 6:27 pm
For another view on why the Japanese apology hasn’t been accepted in the rest of Asia while Germany’s has, along with how Japan is perceived by different generations of Chinese, James Fallows from the Atlantic Monthly talks about this and other China related issues in this Motley Fool conversation.
September 4th, 2009 at 12:38 am
Hatoyma may think globalism is an American phenomenon – but it’s not going away. Tighter economic integration, if not not political integration, is the key to a peaceful future, according to this editorial from the China Daily.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/bizchina/2009-09/03/content_8652590.htm
September 4th, 2009 at 1:19 am
The Chinese government is using the apology issue to leverage influence especially in trade.
The issue is silly really. Most Chinese people don’t care unless you remind them, and most Japanese people certainly don’t care even if you do remind them. The politicians on the other hand need to use this issue to manipulate support. Using WWII sentiments the Chinese government can easily rile up anti-Japanese sentiments and royally screw the Japanese economy. Japanese PMs on other hand, can also do something like visiting the war shrine in order to appease the right wingers. The newly elected JPN PM is likely under a lot of pressure from pro-business groups to address China.
September 4th, 2009 at 1:29 am
Hi Steve, Allen,
Thx for the links. I really like this idea of economic integration being one of the common denominators for all nations regardless of their differences.
I feel James Fallows has a good pulse on what’s happening. I find myself agreeing with a lot of what he has to say.
September 4th, 2009 at 1:31 am
Hi hzzz, #22,
I remember Japan’s efforts to gain permanent seat in security council was thwarted by China, South Korea, and other Asian countries for not fully owning up to WW1/WW2 history.
September 4th, 2009 at 10:28 am
@ Huaren 4
Why is it only up to Japan to reconcile the history question?
When will the CCP apologize for The Great Leap Forward? The Cultural Revolution? Tiananmen? Actions in Tibet and Xinjiang?
Oh yeah. . . the current CCP is different to the CCP then, so it’s irrelevant. . . And anyway, it was Chinese killing Chinese and that’s OK then. . .
September 4th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
@Think Ming, Raj, Lime
Maybe because right-winger Japanese like to honor their war crimes in Yasukuni shrine.
These apologies means nothing when Yasukuni shrine is still honoring their Class A war criminals.
@ Think Ming
The coup d’état of the Gang of Four was more than an apology to Mao’s years.
Tibetans and Uighurs put them on their selves. If they haven’t align with CIA adn NED, there won’t be any ethnic tension.
As for the Tiananmamen, even though Chinese governmet still do not acknowledge them, most of the reforms that the student’s requests are obliged as of today.
September 4th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Hi Think Ming, #25,
I don’t think any killing is “OK.”
It would not be just up to the Japanese to reconcile the history question. In my opinion, it would be Japan and rest of Asia. Do you not agree WW1/WW2 Japan did all these atrocious crimes in Asia?
Regarding the CCP apologizing to themselves and to the Chinese citizens, you have some suggestion how that might work?
I think just about every Chinese citizen agree the GLP and CR were disastrous policies. For TAM and other regions, it appears the opinions have a great range.
September 4th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
@ huaren #27: Outside of attacking and taking over the German port of Qingdao, did the Japanese do anything of consequence in China during WWI? I wasn’t aware they had and am curious.
September 5th, 2009 at 4:51 am
Hi Steve, #28,
Oops, I don’t know why I slipped WWI in there. I really don’t know much about WWI history and can’t say much about it. Thx for catching it.
September 5th, 2009 at 6:53 am
Hi Steve, #20,
Fallows mentioned couple of undercurrents that is kind of in the Chinese psyche which were pretty interesting.
1. 5000 year history
My opinion is this gives aspirations to every citizen to want to see Chinese society become great again.
2. those age 40+ still have disasters of GLF, CR fresh in their minds
My view is this gives them strong preference to stay the course on the growing economy.
3. young Chinese offended by Japanese leadership visiting Yasekuni shrine
I think there is some of this. I also think animosity is waning at the same time over time. But if conflict between China and Japan erupts, this undercurrent can be easily riled up. Therefore, I think it is important that Japan’s relationship with China and Asia normalizes.
September 5th, 2009 at 10:08 am
huaren (27)
Regarding the CCP apologizing to themselves and to the Chinese citizens, you have some suggestion how that might work?
I think It would be more appropriate to have a process. Here are some ideas.
1. Start with some sort of public statement with a general but clear apology, indicating that grave crimes had been committed by the party in regards to ordinary Chinese and other CCP members.
2. A Truth and Reconciliation Committee like in South Africa. I think this is important because a proper study of what happened and allowing people to come forward to say what happened to them would act as a catharsis.
3. Freeing of “political” prisoners even if they weren’t specifically linked to those events. I say “political” to cover people punished for not breaking a law other than being “politically annoying” for the State/CCP.
4. A lifting on media and academic restrictions on reporting/writing on those events. This would work hand-in-hand with the Committee, as it would take a long time to report. Allowing freer general discussion would help make the process seem more transparent and not a government whitewash.
5. Reviewing the History syllabus on those topics – e.g. less spin on Mao that the policies that caused the death of millions were just “mistakes”. Teach the facts and let the pupils decide, or put both sides of the argument. When I was at school we not usually taught that national figures were right/wrong. Individual teachers might like to push an interpretation, but it was dependent on the teacher, not national policy.
But perhaps we should save this for another topic. This is a post about Japan, even if we need to link it to China.
September 5th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Perhaps some experts could help us understand Japan’s involvement with China during and before WW1. I just did some quick reading – it was during WW1 where Japan had already tried to swallow China as a whole – also at the expense of other colonial “Western” powers.
September 5th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Hi Raj, #31,
I actually think this “apology” thing might deserve a separate thread. The way I see it there is quite a bit of similarities between the CCP reconciling GLF and CR with the Chinese population as a whole vs. Japan apologizing to Asia for WW2 atrocities.
Why *should* for each of the two cases?
Why *should not* for both?
Why *should* for one case and *should not* for the other?
Has there been any society where the governing party apologized for their bad policies. Would be interesting to see examples.
We know Germany is an example between nation states which many agree bore fruit in EU/Euro.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:01 am
I just did some quick reading – it was during WW1 where Japan had already tried to swallow China as a whole
In what way? It joined the side of the “Allies” and attacked German colonies, but I haven’t read that it made a bid to attack China as a whole. It wanted those German colonies after the war, but that was a normal reaction to overseas German territory by the victors.
September 6th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Huaren, I’ve also read about the same thing Raj wrote, that it only involved German colonies in China but the actual Japanese intrusions didn’t take place until well after the war ended. Is there something we missed?
September 6th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Hi Raj, #34,
I am curious if you thought it was “ok” for the Japanese to take Tsintao and other Chinese territories occupied by WW1 Germany?
September 6th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Hi Steve, #35, Raj, #34,
This was what I read on Wikipedia:
1915
Twenty-One Demands (対華二十一ヵ条要求 Taika Nijyūichikkajō Yōkyū?)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-One_Demands
1916
The Japanese tried to kill Zhang Zuolin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchuria
Japan invaded and took over Korea in around 1890. From 1890 until their defeat by the U.S. in WW2, I think they were working towards conquest of Asia.
September 6th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
huaren
I am curious if you thought it was “ok” for the Japanese to take Tsintao and other Chinese territories occupied by WW1 Germany?
Japan was on our side during the war, so as we couldn’t take those colonies it was fair for it to do that task. Attacking German colonies overseas was important, I think.
As to whether Japan should have been awarded those colonies after the war, better that they’d not been colonies or handed over to China. But can I complain that they were given to Japan instead of Britain, France or left with Germany? Would seem hypocritical, don’t you think?
Japan invaded and took over Korea in around 1890. From 1890 until their defeat by the U.S. in WW2, I think they were working towards conquest of Asia.
Japan had been looking for an empire like other European states, but I’m not sure it was hell-bent on conquering Asia by WWI. I would read the 21 demands as being more an attempt at solidifying Japan’s presence in the area whilst stopping other powers expanding their influence. Doesn’t mean that the demands were reasonable, of course.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:42 pm
@ Huaren #37: I didn’t realize the 21 demands took place that early. I agree with you that they were unreasonable and interfering and were taking advantage of the European powers’ being occupied with the fighting in Europe, so they go beyond just taking Qingdao from the Germans. Trying to kill a warlord wasn’t interfering in the central Chinese government, but it was still gross interference with a foreign country.
The original Japanese goal was to control China and move into Siberia for the natural resources. They had no intention of moving towards SE Asia. After defeats at Lake Khasan and Khalkhin Gol by the Russians, they shifted their geopolitical plans to SE Asia and the Western Pacific, and began to prepare for the Pearl Harbor attack to take out the US Navy so they could invade the Philippines. They had given up on Siberia by that time.
@ Raj: I’d say that the last two demands were what got them in trouble, not just with the Western powers but also with the Chinese people themselves:
* Group 4 barred China from giving any further coastal or island concessions to foreign powers except for Japan.
* Group 5 contained a miscellaneous set of demands, ranging from Japanese advisors appointed to the Chinese central government and to administer the Chinese police force (which would severely intrude on Chinese sovereignty) to allowing Japanese Buddhist preachers to conduct missionary activities in China.
Group 5 was way out there and ended up being rejected and abandoned. But by even suggesting it, they pushed the line far beyond what it had been. Group 4 made them enemies among the foreign powers which lost them potential allies.
September 7th, 2009 at 7:39 am
Very interesting article over at Xinhua:
“New variables on China-Japan ties with Hatoyama in power”
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-09/02/content_11981826.htm
Some highlights:
Normalization runs deep in the Hatoyama family:
– “Yukio has once served as vice-president of the Dietmen’s League for Japan-China Friendship.”
– “His grand father, Ichiro Hatoyama, was the longest post-war Japanese prime minister, and he worked hard to normalize relations with China back in 1954, but failed owing to the U.S. restraint policy during the cold war.”
– “Yuko’s father, Lichiro Hatoyama, then Japanese foreign minister in the Takeo Fukuda Cabinet, held talks with China for signing the Japan-China Peace and Friendship Treaty in 1976 but his effort suffered setback due to pressures imposed by the former Soviet Russia.”
Biggest trade partner:
– China has replaced the U.S. as Japan’s largest export partner.
Issues China see with Japan to over come:
“Japanese right-wing national forces would provoke some thought on a couple of historical issues; China’s separatist forces like those for “Taiwan Independence”, “Tibetan independence” and “Xinjiang independence” would attempt to find their “patrons” in Japan and look for opportunities to split China; China and Japan differ in their respective stance on the Diaoyu Island, and they are yet to settle their disputes over territorial and maritime rights; the affectionate sentiments between the people of the two nations are still yet to resume, and there is still the lack of sufficient mutual political trust in the area of military security.”
In conclusion:
“DPJ, a political party without a milestone around its neck, can promote and develop its fraternity and friendly, cooperative ties with China in strict compliance with four political documents signed between the two neighboring nations. Hence, Sino-Japanese relations in the years ahead would have more friendship and less friction.”
September 7th, 2009 at 9:16 am
re article: all great, it has been a clear direction in recent two years to foster sino-japanese friendship and overcome the issues, I think many called it a “new spring’ in China. While generally ordinary chinese people still despise Japanese for their WW2 acts toward China and Chinese people, Zhongnanhai understands that playing friendly with Japan is crucial for convincing the world, and more importantly asian neighbours, that the rise will indeed be peacefull. That’s a part of a broader policy to pull in other asian countries in friendly and possibly strategic alliance with Beijing, instead of installing fear and consequently pushing them away, which would be the case should China be unfriendly toward Japan.
So the issue really lies now with Japanese – will they play that way or will they try to keep the distance. Japanse public is also not too friendly toward China, and that may put some pressure on Hatoyama.
Diaoyu Islands will be a real testing ground.
September 7th, 2009 at 10:18 am
Dragan
While generally ordinary chinese people still despise Japanese for their WW2 acts toward China and Chinese people
Just to clarify, you’re saying that a majority of Chinese people despise Japanese even if they weren’t born then, let alone committing specific acts of aggression/war crimes? I don’t believe that.
You also seem to suggest that the Chinese government isn’t really that interested in good relations with Japan for the sake of having good relations with Japan, more that it wants it to provide a fake image to the world or something? Surely good relations with all countries should be cherished to bring greater understanding and mutual benefit.
Japanse public is also not too friendly toward China
In what respect and based on what information?
Past opinion polls that I read have shown that the Japanese public thought better about China than the Chinese public did about Japan at the time. Japanese opinion of China may have dropped in recent years, but not because they’re unfriendly. It’s more out of concern about the future with China.
September 7th, 2009 at 11:37 am
Hi Raj
Yes, I am surprised that you do not know as chinese are quite open in expressing that, and still so, despite the fact that pols show that it is not as grave as it used to be. The fact people were not born then does not help, as all they’ve been ever listening about japanese are those atrocities made in XIX century and it does not help when a japanese premier repeatedly visits Yasukuni Shrine and history books in Japan are not , in chinese view, honest about that chapter in history. Put aside the war, occupation etc. and just think of Nanjing and 300,000 victims and you might understand the depth of that wound. So, even rational and inteligent people are often very emotional once you talk about Japan.
It is also acknowledged that anti-japanese sentiment puts a lot of presure on gov’t, which, in order not to “loose face”, allows anti-japanese demonstrations and is quick to act should they feel public is provoked by visit to Yasakuni or some other similar act. Actually, just few years ago, gov’t let several leading newspapers run editorials written by scholars and , I think, mid-level officials that argued for forgetting the past and forging genuinely friendly relationship with Japan. They wanted to test the water. The response from public was sutch, that these people are still marked as ‘biggest chinese traitors” ( by general public) and their carrers have been consequently stalled. Since then, Beijing employed a more subtle approach, and the public sentiment still stays strongly anti-japanese.
No, it is not about fake impression, of course it is a valuable relationship in any sense that you do not need any other incentive to try and keep friendly. However, it is mostly closely observed one, due to the problematic history and Japanese closeness with US, and is therefore perceived by other asian countries as a real test ground for China’s intentions in Asia and offering a preview of how China’s increasing leverage will be used.
September 7th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Hi Dragan
The Chinese people (I mean citizens, not Han people who are citizens of other countries) I have met have never said they hate/resent Japanese people today, even if they feel there are unresolved matters about the war. Although I know views are different, I have never heard that a majority of Chinese people were so bitter and hate-filled towards the current Japanese generation. It would be interesting to hear what other people have to say on this matter.
I remember the reaction to those news stories, though I wonder if that’s in part because those who shout the loudest are the angriest – it doesn’t mean they hold the majority view. Even if people agree with the articles they won’t dare say so because they don’t want to be targetted by the mob either. But maybe that really does reflect majority opinion. So is it the fault of the government in some way, like focusing too much in the war at school and the general media? Or is there nothing it can do and Chinese people will always be angry regardless?
I understand your point about perceptions and foreign relations now, thanks.
September 7th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Here’s an anecdote: I was at a banquet with a number of professors at a university in a provincial capital. One of them, a man of about 40, advises me — unprompted — that, “the truth is, we would all be happy to see Japan at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean!” I guess the bottom of the Pacific would still be too close for comfort in his opinion. He had consumed a considerable amount of baijiu at this point, so naturally the error reminds one of the hazards of speaking a foreign language while drunk, but I have no reason to think the sentiment was anything other than genuine, and he apparently felt the need to get it off his chest.
September 7th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Hi Raj,
well, they are rational enough to buy toyota cars and shop at Ito Yokado, but ultimately emotional when it comes to WW2 an japanese role at chinese soil.
Yes, for sure, those that are on streets for anti-japanese demostrations and chinese netizens on some forums are the most radical among chinese population. I agree it is not 100% of chinese population, but I think that these people are just bold version of “quiet majority” and relly do reflect opinion of majority of chinese people – that think the same but would not bring it on forums and out to the streets, but would also not condemn them and generally would have positive views on such displays of patriotism. At least that is my experience, but would also love to hear what other think.
Re your questions, I am not sure about the answer. My opinion is that it certainly will be a long process and that the current approach from chinese govt helps. Taking different approach in education would probably help also. But, in my opinion, the key would be for Japanese to bow, apologize clearly, accept the chinese account (generaly regarded to be much closer to truth) of WW2 Japanese misdeeds in China, change their school and history books and stop officially visiting Yasukuni once for all.
September 7th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
Hi Dragan,
Have you done some homework and have info on what the over-all sentiment is in the Japanese and Chinese publics their sentiments toward each other?
FM reader ‘hzzz’ gave us some links to some PEW surveys:
http://blog.foolsmountain.com/2009/08/31/people-daily-china-japan-and-korea-can-no-longer-scorn-each-other/#comment-46738
September 7th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
Hi Steve, #39,
“Trying to kill a warlord wasn’t interfering in the central Chinese government, but it was still gross interference with a foreign country.”
I guess I don’t view it the same way, and I suspect most Chinese don’t either. Zhang Zuolin probably considered himself a patriot and Chinese citizens view him as such. Lincoln is technically a “warlord” too. But if Canadians had tried to take over the U.S. during the American civil war, you wouldn’t want to help Canada justify their invasion just because Licoln was a “warlord.”
Obviously, Zhang Zuolin hasn’t nearly done for China what Lincoln has done for America – not a great example, but I think you’ll understand what I wanted to say.
September 7th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
Dragan
that the current approach from chinese govt helps
I don’t agree. The government has been too fast to whip up nationalism in the past through the media. It will only help when it buries such tactics for good rather than try to use it as a diplomatic bargaining chip.
But, in my opinion, the key would be for Japanese to bow, apologize clearly, accept the chinese account (generaly regarded to be much closer to truth) of WW2 Japanese misdeeds in China, change their school and history books and stop officially visiting Yasukuni once for all.
Sorry, all Japanese people have to bow? To who? And they can’t visit Yasukuni? It’s their choice, no one can stop them.
When it comes to apologies, Premier Wen said Japan’s apologised. So it’s too late now. If Chinese people don’t feel that’s enough, they can protest outside his residence until he does a U-turn.
China would never, ever, ever, [ad infinitum] allow another country to dictate how it taught History. So that’s something else to be put aside. Joint textbooks that were mandatory in schools could be used, but they would need to be produced through consensus. That would require China to adopt them universally as well.
Alternatively they might be revised through domestic discussion, but it would still be Japan’s decision.
September 7th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
Hi Huaren: What I meant was the literal meaning: Zhang Zuolin was not a central government leader but a regional warlord with his own army. Lincoln was the President of the United States and leader of the central government. That doesn’t mean Zhang wasn’t a patriot. Neither would I that say Lincoln was a warlord since he wasn’t a regional leader with his own private army. There haven’t been any “warlords” per the Chinese definition in US history, so they’re hard to compare.
September 7th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
@ Raj: Based on my experience in China, I’d say there is plenty of anti-Japanese sentiment and it’s even stronger among the young than the old. I’ve also had similar experiences to Otto’s. In fact, James Fallows even talked about it in his interview with Motley Fool earlier this week. I’ve heard these sentiments from my colleagues at work, from friends I’ve met here and there, even from strangers that I’ve talked to at the park. There are two areas of complaint. By far the strongest is WWII, but another area of complaint comes from Chinese who have worked for Japanese companies in China. Their opinions are never taken into consideration and the basic mantra is “Japanese way good, Chinese way bad”. I’m not surprised since this same attitude is common with all Japanese businesses, at least in my experience. The fact that WWII documentaries are shown on a daily basis there, along with articles complaining about the Japanese representation of WWII history, contribute to the negative attitudes.
Hatoyama has already said he would not visit Yasukuni Shrine so that shouldn’t be an issue. The DPJ constituency isn’t based on Yasukuni supporters. But the important thing to remember is that Hatoyama wasn’t elected because of his foreign policy views, he was elected to fix the economy and take power from the bureaucracy. He has no mandate for wide foreign policy changes and knows if he wants to remain in office he needs to concentrate on the economy and not rock the boat too much over foreign affairs. He has the reputation as being a political chameleon willing to change at a moment’s notice in order to maintain a favorable public opinion. A politician that pragmatic isn’t going to do anything too extreme.
September 7th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
Hi Steve, #50,
The reason I used Lincoln was the U.S. was essentially divided between the North and the South. Lincoln lead the north. In the case of China during WW1 period, China was fractured, with Zhang Zuolin controlling a big piece – northeast China.
Trying to kill Zhang Zuolin in an attempt to take northeast China is no different than attacking China as a whole. I guess that’s my point.
Would Robert E Lee be a better example? But I didn’t think Zhang Zuolin supported breaking apart China.
Just cruious, what’s the Chinese definition of “warlord”? I have always wondered why in English language, they describe other country having these types of “leaders” and never in U.S. or European history. 🙂
September 8th, 2009 at 12:27 am
Worth pointing out that not only has Hatoyama vowed never to visit the shrine, none of his Prime Ministerial predecssors since Koizumi visited while in office, either. Other politicians have of course, but like Raj says, they have rights as private citizens, and the shrine itself is a private establishment, so there’s nothing to be done, but it does seem a little unfair to condemn the whole of ‘Japan’ and its citizens based on that.
The ‘warlord’ discussion interests me quite a bit. My take on huaren’s question is that the use of the term ‘warlord’ in Chinese history is a reflection of the self-fulfilling prophecy of Chinese unity. In the case of Jefferson Davis, where he was the leader of a territory that had once been part of a larger state, and was again, we still tend to remember him as President of the Confederacy, and not as a southern warlord. But with China, we have this (ahistorical) assumption that it always has and always will be part of a large united block, and when it isn’t, that’s just a temporary anomaly. So if you were the leader of a territory that had once been part of a state historically perceived as a ‘China’ and was later part of another China, then your historical space tends to get dismissed, and you will be remembered as just another warlord between unifications rather than a historical actor within a unique political and cultural space in its own right. (The exception is if you’re part of a non-Han culture and your state is on the periphery of past Chinas). This is something that bugs me alot about Chinese historiography.
By the way, thanks for the link to the James Fallows interview Steve!
September 8th, 2009 at 1:28 am
@ huaren & Lime: My definition of a Chinese warlord is the same as for any warlord. A warlord is a person living in a region of a country who, though he acknowledges a supreme national leader, has military and political control of said region. The regional government answers to him and not the central authority. The military also answers to him and not the central authority.
Lincoln was the president of the United States before the Confederacy declared independence. Once that happened, he was still the president of the United States and not a region, though for four years his government had various degrees of control over the South. The United States never acknowledged or accepted the independence of the South.
One rarely mentioned fact about the Confederacy is that it was a rich man’s war and government. A sizeable percentage of southerners believed in the Union and did not believe in slavery, but because they weren’t landowners their voice was ignored, even when voting took place. There were many towns in the South who voted to remain with the union before the Confederacy broke away. It wasn’t as cut and dried as it’s been portrayed in the media.
Lime, I don’t think the shrine has been an issue since Koizumi’s time but the relatively recent revisions to textbooks downplaying or ignoring Japanese atrocities has riled people in countries that were occupied by the Japanese back then.
As you wrote, the Confederacy never claimed to be a part of the United States but separate, so Jefferson Davis didn’t fit the definition of warlord. He was also an elected president and did not take power through military conquest as did the Chinese warlords, though some of those warlords were popular in the areas they controlled while others were hated but kept power through military might.
I always enjoy hearing what Fallows has to say about China. His experiences are the closest to what I experienced there so it’s easy for me to relate to him in that way.
September 8th, 2009 at 5:30 am
Hi Steve, Lime,
Yeah, I think this definition of “warlords” is indeed interesting. So, Steve, are you saying “democratically electedness” is the criteria?
But, Lime, you are not assigning morality to this “ahistorical” perspective about China, right? If the USA has a 5,000 year history, perhaps future Americans might tend to have this “ahistorial” perspective as Chinese citizens do. What do you think?
September 8th, 2009 at 6:33 am
Hi Huaren,
Well yes, if there is a unified state, or series of states occupying the general area of the United States for even a few hundred more years, it’s quite possible that the common historical interpretation will be one that characterises the United States, as a permanent civilisational feature on humanity’s historical landscape. It’s always in the interest of nationalists and rulers trying solidfy territorial control to construe their state as having an intrinsic form and construe historical periods where the political situation did not match this form as being anomalous (and usually very negative). This I think can be seen in the historiography of almost every state currently in existence, save those, like Canada, which are too new and whose creation was too clearly arbitrary to attach this kind mythologising to.
China is just the most extreme example of a state where rather large temporal periods and large geographic areas’ histories have been lumped and flattened into an almost homogenous historical narrative, for the sake of either nationalism, or, probably more often, for the sake of simplification (keeping first year university world history text books to a manageable size). I mean this persistent idea that ‘China has 5000 years of history’ is probably the best example of how mythologised ‘Chinese’ history really is, as this figure is based on the life of a mythical culture hero. Something like using King Arthur as the date for the founding of England (or Britain), or modern Greeks insisting that their history began when Prometheus brought them fire.
It’s not that doing this kind of thing is necessarily bad; creating the myth of ancient (or at least old) and intrinsic nation/civilisation may even be necessary if you’re a nationalist determined to ‘keep the nation together’. It’s just that it makes for bad, and rather boring formulaic history; interesting characters like Zhang Zuolin and the Zheng family of the late 1600s tend to get brushed over or forced into narratives that don’t quite fit.
That said, if we use Steve’s definition of ‘warlord’, then both the Zhengs and Zhang would fit nicely.
To contribute to the discussion on how widespread the dislike of Japan and Japanese people was in China, my experience was that in the PRC, it was a small but very vocal minority who had a problem with Japan. The young vs old divide I can’t comment on, as I talked to far more young people than old people. Worth noting though was it seemed to me to be socially acceptable to go off about how much you hated the Japanese in mixed company. Nipponophobia, I think, was more tolerated and perhaps prevalent therefore than, say, anti-semitism in North America. In the ROC, I don’t think I met anybody who was willing to admit they had a problem with the Japan. That was my experience.
September 8th, 2009 at 7:52 am
Hi Lime,
From a practical standpoint, we can’t fault a normal American for thinking that the USA will last forever, and I think if you ask the population, they’d want this civilization to persist temporally and geographically in similar fashion. Further more, nothing wrong with that unless you want to conquer the world.
If USA is invaded by Canada and a piece taken for some period of time, I imagine at a future time, the USA will fight back to reclaim that territory. This has always been humanity, I am afraid. You are certainly not espousing the idea it is OK to invade another country and take its territory, right? 🙂
China’s Xia dynasty lasted 2070BC – 1600BC. The other dynasties are well documented. Maybe you could elaborate more about the creation of this “myth”?
I agree there’s Nipponophobia in China – and in my view, obviously given Japan’s WW2 past. My grandfather told me his home was destroyed by Japanese bombers. Those who experienced WW2 Japanese atrocities are still alive today in China and Asia.
Regarding the “Nipponophobia” being openly aired – I think a lot also has to do with the “politically-correct” culture that hasn’t hit China yet. Many would argue the politically correct culture in the “West” has pushed the true feelings on a lot of things underground. Btw, this was some other FM contributor / reader’s comment I read a while back.
September 8th, 2009 at 8:30 am
@huaren47,ray#49
Hi Haren, I did not see anything that does not support my views in the surveys you linked me too. If you think I overlooked something,please let me know
Hi Raj, maybe I di not express myself clearly -japanese to bow was a figure os speach meaning that they should clearly admit the attrocities they have dione in China and Asia during and around WW2 and accordingly make some moves on the ground such as stop OFFICIALLY Yasukuni shrine in form of state arranged visit and re-work the history and school books.Your idea of joint books revision through concensus is great, but it should not mean meeting half way but meeting historical truth
Re government tactics, I treid to explain above that in case of sino-japanese relations chinese government is a hostage to its people. There are no incentives for government to spoil such an important relation by unleashing unfriendly feelings toward Japan in its people. Actually, even sport events involving Japan and China are potential bombs and are usually preceded, and more so in recent times, with official appeal to local chinese crowds to behave friendly.And editorials urging “building a constructive relationship” with Japan, stressing cultural proximity, developed busines ties and other positive conotations of sino-japanese relations are common place. However, gov’t is pressured by masses not to loose face or be perceived as weak – especially toward the arch-enemy and competitor Japan – and you know that it is the worst that could happen to today’s Zhongnahai after “century of humiliation”.
September 8th, 2009 at 10:19 am
Where does the figure 5000 come from? From the various descriptions on when the Xia dynasty might have been founded, none goes further back than the year 2200. Doesn’t that make China 4000+ years old, rather than 5000? 😉
September 8th, 2009 at 10:47 am
@ Wukailong: I believe it goes back to Huangdi (Yellow Emperor) which makes the history actually a bit less than 5000 years, more like 4700.
September 8th, 2009 at 11:01 am
I was going to write in more detail about this since writing in China was most probably invented after the Xia dynasty. The oracle bone inscriptions come from the Shang dynasty which was founded around 3500 years ago. Xia and pre-Xia descends into myth because of the lack of written records. Not that I doubt their existence, but it certainly makes it difficult to date them.
September 8th, 2009 at 11:36 am
Quite a number of Japanese citizens of Chinese descent still live in Japan, and some of them lived in Nagasaki where the A-Bomb was dropped.
Chinatowns in Japan
http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2420.html
September 8th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
huaren (57)
Regarding the “Nipponophobia” being openly aired – I think a lot also has to do with the “politically-correct” culture that hasn’t hit China yet.
What do you mean by “Nipponophobia” and “politically-correct”? I hope you’re not supporting the view put about previously that what we would call racism/xenophobia does not apply in China. If some Chinese people believe that Japanese are inferior or hate them purely because they are Japanese, they are racist.
Maybe you mean something else, if so I’d like to hear what you mean.
Dragan (58)
If the Chinese government “has” to be anti-Japanese from time-to-time to placate public sentiment, I don’t understand how so many supporters of the current Chinese political system can argue with a straight face that it’s good because the government can ignore the people when they’re being overly emotional, intolerant, making bad choices for the country, etc. You’re suggesting that in many ways China’s political system has the worst of both worlds, because it forbids another party taking power/disallows direct elections for top positions, yet still panders to the public when they’re angry.
September 8th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
Hi Dragan, #58,
I meant to ask as favor if you have additional information perhaps you came across besides the PEW reports you could share with us. Not arguing with you. 🙂
Hi Wukailong, #61,
Ok, 3500 years almost seems as long as 5000 if we just look at Shang dynasty.
Hi Raj, #63,
Btw, you should ask Lime what he meant by “Nipponophobia” – this was the first time I’ve heard of it. I took it to mean many Chinese are openly criticizing Japan for their WW2 atrocities in a non-politically-correct way.
September 8th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
I took it to mean many Chinese are openly criticizing Japan for their WW2 atrocities in a non-politically-correct way.
And what does that mean?
September 8th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
Hi Raj, #65,
And are you going to keep asking “And what does that mean?” What are you looking for? Did Lime’s comments about some anecdotal things he heard some Chinese citizen say prove that they were racist?
Don’t you get it – WW2 Japan’s crimes against Asia were atrocious. Since the country has not formally apologized, the victims are resentful of that fact. Are you trying to turn this simple fact on its head to now say the Chinese are racist against Japanese? If so, that’d be absurd.
September 8th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
What I meant by ‘Nipponophobia’ was a generalised dislike of Japan and Japanese people as a nation, ethnicity, or race, however you may want to categorise it, akin to anti-semitism, that may or may not be inspired by Japanese history. It’s one thing when you have a problem with a state at the governmental level, but when you’re animosity extends to having a problem with the average Yoshi on the streets of Osaka simply because he’s Japanese, that’s what I’m talking about. Someone like the prof that Otto mentioned wishing to see all of Japan at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean would fall into this category. There are certainly people like this in the PRC (I’ve met some of them), though I believe they’re a minority. Openly criticising Japan (the Japanese government rather), for WW2 atrocities in a non-politically correct way falls short of Nipponophobia, by my definition.
As far as the political correctness goes, I think that’s a matter of how tolerant of society is of the Nipponophobes’ views. By comparison, there are certainly a minority of people in minority that have a problem with Jews in general, but it would be very rare for someone to state at a public event that they would be happy to see all the Jews in the world sent to the bottom of Atlantic, even if they did feel that way. Such does not seem to be the case in China, though, and I think huaren may be right in suggesting this is just a difference in the political correctness. We’re pretty touchy about hating on groups of people on this side of the Pacific, racial, ethnic, religious, national, or whatever.
September 9th, 2009 at 1:00 am
Who those who feel that Chinese government is overpushing their agenda for right-wing Japanese nationalists to come clean, what do you think of these comments:
The chief priest of the shrine denies that they were war criminals, saying, “The winner passed judgment on the loser.”
http://astro.temple.edu/~bstavis/courses/238-yasukuni-shrine.htm
Also that [huaren: word deleted to keep forum civil] Koizumi said at Nov 2004 APEC meeting “It’s about time for [China’s] graduation* [as a recipient of Japanese foreign aid payments],” implying that Japan intended unilaterally to end its 25-year-old financial aid program.
*”graduation” also conveyed the insulting implication that Japan saw itself as a teacher guiding China, the student.
Wen Jiabao went on to suggest that China had always regarded Japan’s foreign aid, which he said China did not need, as payments in lieu of compensation for damage done by Japan in China during the war. He pointed out that China had never asked for reparations from Japan and that Japan’s payments amounted to about $30 billion over 25 years, a fraction of the $80 billion Germany has paid to the victims of Nazi atrocities even though Japan is the more populous and richer country.
September 9th, 2009 at 3:29 am
@huaren (#64): Actually, I don’t want to be nitpicky about age… It’s amazing that China keeps using the beautiful writing system that was invented so long ago. The style of the characters have changed, but it’s been conserved far more than any European language has. 3500 or 5000 doesn’t really change anything. 😉
September 9th, 2009 at 6:06 am
Hi Wukailong,
Then you might appreciate this rendition of a 3000 year old poem. 🙂
3000 Year Poem: 关雎 Crying Ospreys (哈辉 Hahui)
http://china.lightroomgalleria.com/?p=290
September 9th, 2009 at 7:10 am
huaren
And are you going to keep asking “And what does that mean?” What are you looking for?
I’m looking for a clarification as to what “not being politically correct” is, because in the past it was used to argue certain things that could be said to be racist in China were not racist but “not politically correct”.
WW2 Japan’s crimes against Asia were atrocious. Since the country has not formally apologized, the victims are resentful of that fact. Are you trying to turn this simple fact on its head to now say the Chinese are racist against Japanese? If so, that’d be absurd.
Japan has apologised – the Chinese PM said as much – even if you don’t feel it goes far enough. It isn’t racist to be feel unhappy about the war, but Lime’s definition of Nipponophobia in the first paragraph of post 67 would be racism.
September 9th, 2009 at 7:12 am
@Raj#63
Hi Raj, I was not arguing in favour of OR against chinese political system, but merely tried to give a perspective on the chinese side of sino-japanese relations.
To respond to your question, supporters of chinese gov’t usually argue exactly the way you described. If the public opinion was in driving seat -especially the noiser part of public opinion- and public opinion is not friendly toward Japan, China would have likely be much harsher in its stance towatd Japan, leading to uncertainty that would stall development of bussines ties and military build up that might lead to a military confrontation sparked by one of the PERCEIVED “humiliating” and “insulting” acts on Japanese side. Luckily, public koopinion is not in the driving seat and government can develop ties with Tokyo and just occassionaly give the masses space to vent their anger – anger that would otherwise go against them for being to weak to stand up to “japanese devils” ( the very existence of this term tells you about the feelings imprinted in chinese psyche re japanese)
September 9th, 2009 at 7:25 am
Hi Raj, #71,
“not being politically correct” means “not appropriate.” For example, instead of using “spokesman” for both a male or female, the “politically correct” term for it is “spokesperson.” Is there something else am I missing?
Someone calling a woman a “spokesman” does not automatically mean that person is sexist, does it?
Lime’s point that he thinks those Chinese people he has encountered who are racist are in the minority. That’s my view too.
Okay, so I am not sure where you are going with this “Nipponophobia” thing. Are we done there? 🙂
September 9th, 2009 at 7:27 am
@Huaren#64
Hi HUren,
My views are based on variety of polls I have seen over last few years as well as personal experience of living in China and various literature
re pols – I am sure you can google them out – for instance, some recent ones:
http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20090827p2a00m0na015000c.html
and a very interesting one here
http://www.acus.org/new_atlanticist/sino-japanese-relations-unbalanced-warming
and this academic one – only abstract – that I wish i could read through
http://www.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/3/6/1/9/9/p361991_index.html#get_document
September 9th, 2009 at 7:27 am
Hi Dragan, #72,
I think you are exactly right. Good point. That’s vision and credit should be given to the CCP.
September 9th, 2009 at 7:30 am
Hi Dragan, #74,
Thx for the links. I’ll take a look next chance I get. Ha, this last couple of exchanges feels like we are instant messaging.
September 9th, 2009 at 7:30 am
huaren @73
The thing was that I couldn’t think of a “politically incorrect” expression that could be made about the Japanese that was not racist. But if you agree with Lime’s position then it’s a moot point and am glad you feel that way.
September 9th, 2009 at 7:46 am
Yes, indded, quick exchange : ) where are you, btw?
September 9th, 2009 at 8:53 am
@huaren: Thanks for the link! Shi Jing is an amazing work. It’s also amazing how the modern language retains words like 淑女 after all those thousands of years.
September 11th, 2009 at 12:56 am
Hi Dragan, #74,
Thx for the links again. Looks like there is a very long ways to go towards reconciliation. For the sake of the region, it must happen. I have always wondered what goes through the heads of the governments on both sides on this kind of issue. Its tough.
Anyways, regarding Hatoyama’s positions – I honestly find it encouraging.
September 24th, 2009 at 6:38 am
“Japan’s new Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama vowed to face up to the bitter memories of his country’s wartime past that still stir distrust in Asia, an official said.
Hatoyama made the pledge during a meeting with South Korean President Lee Myung-Bak on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly and ahead of a Group of 20 summit in Pittsburgh, said the Japanese government official.
The leader of the center-left Democratic Party of Japan, has proposed that Japan build a new, non-religious state war memorial to serve as an alternative focus of national war remembrance to the controversial Yasukuni Shrine.
During a meeting with Chinese President Hu Jintao on Monday, Hatoyama also said he would follow a landmark statement of apology for Japan’s wartime aggression issued in 1995 by then-prime minister Tomiichi Murayama — one of the few other left-leaning leaders in modern Japan.”
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5h_1SwJxlWfhkrmbE7JqauP8671oA
September 29th, 2009 at 4:30 am
Hi Chops, #81,
Looks like the top leaders of Japan, China, ROK are meeting in October. Will be interesting to see what comes out of that.
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The U.S. Designed this new S.O.N.A.R. to ‘flight’ all enemy by a Doppler Relay; by a Wave-Image on a frequency near 80,000-Mega-Hertz and the wave-length sends an Oscillary to ‘pattern’ an enemy map such as N.A.S.A. employs to locate an in-coming Intercontinental Ballistic Missile not recognized by the Northern Organization of Range Defence.
PART THREE.
In Japan there was a grand Submarine called the Hiro-10 and this Sub’ was created here in Edmonton by Proxy as proven in The Provincial Archives. The year was 1949 when The Hiro last swam well under the blue Pacific and it fought heroically and was sunk by error as early China decided Japan was Enemy to their Shipping of cotton and gun-powder needed for clothing the populace and cannon on land with underdeveloped Naval support.
The Hurricane was in the area of the South Pacific in October 1946 when the Hiro-10 of Nagasaki south rammed into Her Bow!! This mishap crushed four women aboard unfortunately; one was expectant with a boy; the Emperor’s son! In the heat of repair and S.O.S. five Destroyers all British including the HMS-99(n); on board the Captain was reported near crying due to the billowing hail of flame; and again, the Hiro near sunk.!
This grande Sub’ was part US owned by Delaware and proved a true Allie.
When the US realized the Submarine Hiro was almost submerged with dismay; about 15 Frigates ascended by ‘Copter – all Navy Of Seal!!
February 4th, 2013 at 12:29 pm
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October 18th, 2013 at 8:24 am
“Raw American War” a TRUE Recollection Writer Mr. Alexander Simon!
The Historical look at a great American Warrior!!;
Scene One: The President’s need to end World War Two!!
“General of the Army Douglas MacArthur (26 January 1880 – 5 April 1964) was an American general and field marshal of the Philippine Army who was Chief of Staff of the United States Army during the 1930s and played a prominent role in the Pacific theater during World War II. He received the Medal of Honor;” is stated for all War in care for the American Name here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_MacArthur!! His first interest on securing Midway in Okinawa, Japan was; … “at age 50, the youngest of the U.S. Army’s major generals, and the best known. He left the Philippines on 19 September 1930 and for a brief time was in command of the IX Corps Area in San Francisco;” and was interested in American and Japanese coverage of any communist threat to either Nation!!
If the Second World War … “The attack on Pearl Harbor[nb 4] was a surprise military strike conducted by the Imperial Japanese Navy against the United States naval base at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, on the morning of December 7, 1941 (December 8 in Japan). The attack led to the United States’ entry into … The onset of the Great Depression forced Congress to make cuts in the Army’s personnel and budget and … “United States Army Forces in the Far East (USAFFE) was a military formation of the United States Army active from 1941 to 1946. The new command’s headquarters was created on July 26, 1941, at No. 1, Calle Victoria, Manila, Luzon, the Philippines, with General Douglas MacArthur as commander. The Chief of Staff was Brigadier General Richard K. Sutherland and the Deputy Chief of Staff was Lieutenant Colonel Richard J. Marshall. The core of this command (including MacArthur, Marshall, and Sutherland) was drawn from the Office of the Military Advisor to the Commonwealth Government.
Creation of this command led to the subordination of the headquarters of the Philippine Department of the US Army, as a service command, since planning and tactical control were now under USAFFE control;” to squash all communists there!!
According to … “The Second World War, was a global war that lasted from 1939 to 1945. It involved the vast majority of the world’s nations—including all of the great powers—eventually forming two opposing military alliances: the Allies and the Axis”; combined a World Strike!! The proof is only communists were killed!! Did … “The Mitsubishi A6M Zero was a long-range fighter aircraft, manufactured by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, and operated by the Imperial Japanese Navy from 1940 to 1945;” flight a long range mission to Hawaii? When the Course would take nine solid weeks??
While, “The Supreme War Council … Yamagata Aritomo;” refused Japanese surrender; a true Empire of Japan; refused his Surrender for the AXIS!!
“On August 6, 1945, the United States dropped an atomic bomb on the city of Hiroshima. Late in the evening of August 8, 1945, for more territory including Tokyo!! The annuals state … “Operation Downfall was the codename for the Allied plan for the invasion of Japan near the end of World War II. The planned operation was abandoned when Japan surrendered; and a young Douglas MacArthur; “…had an ultra secret Purple cipher machine, which decrypted Japanese diplomatic messages, and partial codebooks for the latest JN-25 naval code;” and Tomoyuki Yamashita as Imperial Japanese Army general; planned an all-out defense of Kyūshū, by stolen codes American. Due to growing resentment “In July 1944, President Roosevelt summoned MacArthur to meet with him in Hawaii “to determine the phase of action against Japan.” On 6 August 1945, during the final stages of World War II, it became the first aircraft to drop an atomic bomb. The bomb, code-named “Little Boy”, was targeted at the city of Hiroshima;” according to non media sources!! If the Serial Code: 44-86292; was not Austin, Texan; was “The Pentagon is the headquarters of the United States Department of Defense, aware; “The Enola Gay;” The B-29 Super fortress is a four-engine propeller-driven heavy bomber can fly 20,000-miles “short of Japan” from Honolulu; the closest lift-off to launch a Armageddon? The “plan;” was too short!!
June 4th, 2015 at 11:58 am
The making of a Mafia in America!!
“In 1945, after serving a sentence at the Federal Correctional Complex, Terre Haute, Indiana (during which time he told his children he was away “at college”), Giancana made a name for himself by convincing Accardo, then the Outfit’s underboss;”
Yet, and according to Chicago, U.S. “Sam Giancana joined the Forty-Two Gang, a juvenile street crew answering to political boss Joseph Esposito.[2] Giancana soon developed a reputation for being an excellent getaway driver;” for the Federal war. According to the recently declassified CIA “Family Jewels” documents, Giancana and Tampa/Miami Syndicate leader Santo Trafficante, Jr. were contacted in September 1960, about the possibility of an assassination attempt by a go-between from the CIA, Robert Maheu, after Maheu had contacted Johnny Roselli, a Mafia member in Las Vegas; yet the thugs not American find a loophole; the reason was “The Chicago Outfit (or simply the Outfit), also known as the Chicago Mafia or the Chicago Mob, is an Italian American crime syndicate based in Chicago, Illinois. Dating back to the 1910s, it is part of the American Mafia. Originating in South Side Chicago;” and a new Federal was inside!
If “The Chicago metropolitan area, or Chicagoland, is the metropolitan area associated with the city of Chicago, Illinois, and its suburbs. It is the area that is closely linked to the city through geographic, social, economic, and cultural ties.:” where was Capone joined Torrio in Chicago where he had become an influential lieutenant in the Colosimo mob.? He was busy “intended to take full advantage of opportunities. The mob also developed interests in legitimate businesses in the cleaning and dyeing field and cultivated influence with receptive public officials, labor unions, and employees’ associations.” With full Federal power; meanwhile; two men Mr. Giancana met with Salvador later to decide what scum would fall down!
The Federal reason was “Tax evasion is the illegal evasion of taxes by individuals, corporations and trusts. Tax evasion often entails taxpayers deliberately misrepresenting the true state of their affairs to the tax authorities to reduce their tax liability and includes dishonest tax reporting, such as declaring less income, profits or gains than the amounts actually earned, or overstating deductions;” and hurting the Mafia and Mobsters!!
In New York response; “John “Papa Johnny” Torrio, born Giovanni Torrio (January 20, 1882 – April 16, 1957), also known as “The Fox” and as “The Immune”, was an Italian American mobster who helped build the criminal empire known as the Chicago Outfit in the 1920s that was later inherited by his protégé, Al Capone.[1][2] He also put forth the idea of the National Crime Syndicate in the 1930s and later became an unofficial adviser to the Genovese crime family;” left The Federal to wage policing War!!
“Francesco Raffaele Nitto (January 27, 1886 – March 19, 1943), also known as Frank “The Enforcer” Nitti, was an Italian American gangster. One of Al Capone’s top henchmen, Nitti was in charge of all strong-arm and ‘muscle’ operations. Nitti was later the front-man for the Chicago Outfit, the organized crime syndicate headed by Capone;” and read newspapers deciding what hit to arrive clean and policing accepted by MOB and MAFIA! “On February 14, 1929, five members of the North Side Gang, plus gang collaborators Reinhardt H. Schwimmer and John May, were lined up against the rear inside wall of the garage at 2122 North Clark Street, in the Lincoln Park neighborhood of Chicago’s North Side, and executed supplied by Detroit’s Purple Gang, also associates of Capone. Yet to deface Catholics; stealing the hue; Al Capone requested the his connection; inside to erase the thieves~!
George Clarence Moran (August 21, 1893 – February 25, 1957), better known as Bugs Moran; was hired by the Federal Bureau of Investigation; as a friend in private Irish policing to investigate matters then!!
While Jews posing as Catholics were riding fast in Fords worried; the MOB and Mafia decided to ambush communists!! Heading one kill was the Samuel Giancana; who alerted his to soldier “Francesco Raffaele Nitto to nail this Gang!
Yet American trial is appending for what ware house hit and what Gangs were involved; I feel the FBI hit only!! The view today is “Clark Street is a north-south street in Chicago, Illinois that runs close to the shore of Lake Michigan from the northern city boundary with Evanston, to 2200 South in the city street numbering system.[1] At its northern end, Clark Street is at 1800 West; however the street runs diagonally through the Chicago grid for about 8 miles (13 km) to North Avenue (1600 N) and then runs at 100 West for the rest of its course south to Cermak Road. It is also seen in Riverdale beyond 127th street across the Calumet River, along with other nearby streets that ended just south of the Loop. The major length of Clark Street runs a total of 98 blocks; was there a “cover-up;” to the Capone name and where ‘inside Agents;’ hurt?
August 13th, 2015 at 10:36 am
The U.S. and our international partners have secured the strongest nuclear arrangement ever negotiated. Thanks to the nuclear deal — formally known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) — the world can verifiably prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon.
It’s an historic deal. It’s vital to our national security and that of our allies, like Israel. It’s also very detailed and can seem a bit complicated. So if you’re looking to dive deep into the details, here are five things you should explore to better understand why this deal will ensure Iran’s nuclear program will remain exclusively peaceful moving forward.
Watch This: President Obama’s speech at American University
Fifty-two years ago, President John F. Kennedy delivered a speech at American University on the importance of peace in the nuclear age. This week, President Obama returned there to do the same. He outlined exactly what’s in the Iran deal and what’s at stake should Congress reject it.
President Obama stated to email with my ‘
Catholic Name; Alexander Simon; Journalist!
“Iranian President Hassan Rouhani said on Tuesday a nuclear deal with major powers would open a new chapter of cooperation with the outside world after years of sanctions, predicting the “win-win” result would gradually eliminate mutual mistrust.” I have read. “Within weeks of taking office in 2013, Mr Rouhani spoke on the phone to US President Barack Obama – the first direct contact at the highest level between Iran and the US since the 1979 revolution.” Was the Official Iran Statement! Hassan Rouhani (Persian: حسن روحانی, pronunciation (help·info); born ‘Hassan Fereydoun’ on November 12, 1948[10]) is the seventh President of Iran, in office since 2013. Not commenting on Iranian nuclear development is challenging US interest!! One reason is “Iran’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Atomic Energy Organization, a proposal was put forth by foreign minister, Kamal Kharazi, which was accepted by the president and other Iranian leaders.” The Atomic Energy Organization of Iran (AEOI) is the main official body responsible for implementing regulations and operating nuclear energy installations in Iran. These may not be Hydrogen bombs in the US interest!! As all Democratic nations have a God given right to nuclear development including defence as Iran: The economic policy of Hassan Rouhani focuses on the long-term economic development of Iran. It deals with increasing the purchasing power of the public, economic growth, raising sufficient funds, implementation of the general policies of 44th Principle of the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Iran and improving the business environment in the short term. One reason is to end any tyrannical fool; “Nuclear weapons possess enormous destructive power derived from nuclear fission or combined fission and fusion reactions. Starting with scientific breakthroughs made during the 1930s, the United States, the United Kingdom and Canada collaborated during World War II in what was called the Manhattan Project to counter the suspected Nazi German atomic bomb project.” Iran with the World Federation of Nations can build nuclear bombs. So can Hungary ….
The nuclear program of Iran was launched in the 1950s with the help of the United States as part of the Atoms for Peace program.[1] The participation of the United States and Western European governments in Iran’s nuclear program continued until the 1979 Iranian Revolution that toppled the Shah of Iran.[2] Following the 1979 Revolution, most of the international nuclear cooperation with Iran was cut off. One reason was an oil embargo that Shell Canada created with communist intervention and no longer! Ayatollah Ali Khamenei issued a fatwa forbidding the production, stockpiling and use of nuclear weapons on August 9, 2005. For reasons of insecurity; and no longer!! For total WFON “In conformity with treaties between the United States and the Soviet Union, a salvo is defined, for multiple explosions for peaceful purposes, as two or more separate explosions where a period of time between successive individual explosions does not exceed 5 seconds and where the burial points of all explosive devices can be connected by segments of straight lines, each of them connecting two burial points, and the total length does not exceed 40 kilometers. For nuclear weapon tests, a salvo is defined as two or more underground nuclear explosions conducted at a test site within an area delineated by a circle having a diameter of two kilometers and conducted within a total period of time of 0.1 second.” A cobalt tamper. Instead of generating additional explosive force from fission of the uranium, the cobalt is transmuted into cobalt-60, which has a half-life of 5.26 years and produces energetic (and thus penetrating) gamma rays. The half-life of Co-60 is just long enough so that airborne particles will settle and coat the earth’s surface before significant decay has occurred, thus making it impractical to hide in shelters. This prompted physicist Leo Szilard to call it a “doomsday device” since it was capable of wiping out life on earth.” It can if it ignites the core of the Earth!! For now; the importance is knowing what bomb is where and who can launch or implode under the seas great!! As the ultimate threat is “the effects of cobalt bombs is that deposition of fallout is not even throughout the path downwind from a detonation, so that there are going to be areas relatively unaffected by fallout and places where there is unusually intense fallout, so that the Earth would not be universally rendered lifeless by a cobalt bomb as per Szilard, Leo (sĭˈlärd) [key], 1898–1964, American nuclear physicist and biophysicist, born in Hungary. He was educated at the Budapest Institute of Technology and the Univ. of Berlin, receiving a doctorate from the latter in 1922.
September 27th, 2015 at 7:47 am
从地球新的波澜！由作家亚历山大SIMON __________________________–通过卫星2015年9月25日] SENTECH，在非洲的广播信号分配器，扩展了其与国际通信卫星组织为多年的合同。 SENTECH将继续利用国际通信卫星20 Ku波段容量68.5度，东部经济高效地扩展和增强其直接到户（DTH）和数字地面电视（DTT）服务在非洲。通信卫星组织20卫星将提供SENTECH有一个广阔的选择近500个频道，其中31个是高清的。因为它使用的是单一的，复用传输DTH分配以及国家数码地面电视节目到南非观众SENTECH将最大限度地提高其效率。国际通信卫星20是这是由国际通信卫星操作地球静止轨道通信卫星。它是由空间系统劳拉构成，是基于LS-1300卫星总线。[1]它于2012年8月2日推出，并取代了国际通信卫星7的Intelsat 10号飞船在68.5º东经。这是全面运作，因为2012年9月与美国的SSL，原空间系统/ Loral公司，有限责任公司（SS / L），加利福尼亚州帕洛阿尔托市，是麦克唐纳Dettwiler and Associates公司（MDA）的全资制造子公司。 SSL的设计和制造的卫星和空间系统对于各种各样的政府和商业客户。其产品包括高功率的直接到户卫星广播，商业气象卫星，数字音频广播卫星，地球观测卫星及点波束卫星数据的网络应用;与合作伙伴加拿大Telesat公司是加拿大卫星通信公司成立于5月2日，1969年该公司总部设在渥太华，安大略省以及美国和巴西有办事处;是相当幸福的，包括丹尼尔·S·戈德堡先生。更多观看正在退出的“”作为大陆其他地区继续迁移到DTT，Intelsat公司20的力量，使我们能够有效地人数最多的观众提供数字化服务，以及扩大我们的客户群。最重要的是，它将使我们能够提高我们的频道选择，并提供更多的实惠，娱乐节目给观众跨越多个渠道遍布南非，“Leago Takalani，高管表示：技术的SENTECH。”今天，“Leago Takalani，由于空中交通和导航服务公司南非最近成立的技术，研究开发部，技术部高级经理（R＆D）的负责人，Leago Takalani走的是空中导航服务提供商到新的高度，确保它仍然在航空工业中的技术发展的最前沿。“乔Calderelli，CPI的国际首席执行官兴奋呢！购买ASC信号，先进的卫星通信，雷达和高频天线和控制器，从前任主人韧性资本合伙制造商中，带来了更大的天线功能，以消费物价指数，它提供高科技产品为卫星行业和新闻是研科公司为寻找新的波近埃德蒙顿非广播电台现在！原因是可怜的用户需要七个多站的超高频率为Africanis非加拿大人需要一个甚至编程突破！首页基础较差的观众欣赏到广播卫星（DBS）是一种类型的人造卫星通常将卫星电视信号的家庭接收。[1]它采用直接广播卫星的卫星电视的类型被称为广播卫星电视（DBSTV）或直接到户电视（DTHTV）。[2]这已初步区分直接用于从有线电视家庭观众传输即在相同的卫星有时进行配送服务。术语DTH早的DBS和经常用于参照由较低功率卫星进行服务，这需要较大的菜肴（1.7米直径或更大）用于接收;多室内卫星接收器救大买单！一种风格被放大TERK室内天线是完美的，从一个广播塔接收任何广播信号（UHF，VHF和HDTV）达50公里。这TERK高清电视天线Pro系列融合了尖端技术，安装简单，独特的设计，以提高电视信号的接收。要接收HDTV信号，您必须拥有ATSC调谐器电视和能够接收HDTV关空气信号，而无法访问无处不在加拿大。一个1.8米（6英尺）同轴电缆附带的天线。然而，埃德蒙顿这需要得到更多的免费节目，包括得克萨斯州的政治讨论。由于八哥价格扶摇直上试试如果你住在一个大电视市场，有-使用Telemundo电视台的一个很好的机会，你就可以得到很多你的本地网络广播，如ABC，CBS，福克斯，NBC，PBS，和天线。所有你需要的是一款搭载了数字电视调谐器电视，一些包含在所有的电视自2007年以来太好了，现在你可以自己一个人;然而，一个适配器是需要重新代码丢失telecastset。这可以待家制造。该网是100真正站免费获得！议检查了这一点，如果接收依赖于距离从广播塔，地利，人和的环境（附近的房屋，建筑物，树木等）。有些型号的方向，所以他们需要面向一个广播塔。多向天线，它从各个方向接收信号，可用于城市地区更好，但他们可能不拉的更远站。 “放大”天线可以提升信号强度，有时可以帮助拉越远站。但是我们的测试表明，他们并不总是比非放大的模型更有效，他们可以过载接收从接近站;然后该信号不是卫星百万从地球英里。该信号是一如既往地传输具有广阔的超高频率。证据是一盘菜地球上发射，什么是轨道是你丢失的工资支付观点有些站不想要进入你的一套。检查出什么菜是靠近你的区域开放，没有任何发射绕太阳附近进行最后的广播！
November 4th, 2015 at 8:48 am
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取締役副社長、代表取締役社長・最高執行責任者 LII 住宅用暖房機・冷却
作家アレキサンダー炭素 MONIXIDE サイモン
一酸化炭素中毒とは何ですか。Web の回答として「軽度の急性中毒の症状、ふらつき、混乱、頭痛、めまい、およびインフルエンザのような効果。大きなエクスポー ジャーは、中枢神経系、心臓と死の重要な毒性に します。以下の急性中毒では、長期的な後遺症はしばしば発生します。一酸化炭素にすることも妊娠中の女性の胎児に深刻な影響.”まだ正しければ”しばしば生産国内または産業設定で実行ツールやガスヒーター、調理器具からもガソリン、ディーゼル、メタン、または他の炭素ベースの燃料でプロパン、ブタン、炭などの炭素ベースの燃料によって動力を与えられるモーター車によって。”1 つのレンタル ‘問題’ は、非熱強制換気が私を含めすべてのマンションで標準ではないこと:「NFPA 規格は必ずしも適用されません法律。2006 年 4 月現在米国マサチューセッツ州が必要築年数と持家か賃貸かどうかに関係なく、潜在的な CO のソースをすべての住宅に存在する検出器です。」測定値とボイラーは理由し、梅毒とクラミジアの家で強制暖房システムとは違って蒸気を燃焼水を開催![7] 一酸化炭素ヘモグロビンやチトクロム酸化酵素 [95] から通常の酸素よりも大きい程度に CO の解離を早めるということにも、高気圧酸素、一酸化炭素中毒の治療に使用されます。3 回大気圧高圧酸素は、通常の酸素の 80 分と比較して 23 (~80/3 分) 分、一酸化炭素の半減期を低減します。かどうかは、右する https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_monoxide_poisoning#Legal_requirements;ボイラーは、パイプと汚れた空気を削除する新しい革命が必要これらの病気とのそれらを含む既知の転送から汚れた粒子をそのだるさ!セントラル ・ ヒーティングの利点は、家があからさまな細菌を燃やすです!中央暖房としてシステムは、複数の部屋に一点から建物 (または建物の一部分) の全体のインテリアに暖かさを提供します。建物の気候を制御するために他のシステムと組み合わせると、システム全体が https://en あたりの HVAC (暖房、換気および空調) システムにあります。wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_heatingエンジニアは、冷たいガス空調機コイルを通してポンプでくまれることを発見しました。コイル銅管アルミフィンと成っています。冷たいガスは、今冷やしているアルミのフィンには、低温度を送信銅コイルを通過します。彼の問題は、フィルター処理された、そうではない多くの場合、フィルターが戻るとき空気預金カビ胞子や細菌湿ったコイル表面をプレーしています。(ほとんどのエアコン フィルターないカビ胞子や細菌をフィルター、実際にカビや細菌の繁殖地として機能します。)オンとオフのサイクルはエアコン システム、エアコン取得湿った、冷たいと暖かい。この湿った、暗い環境は、カビや細菌の最適な繁殖地です。金型の多くの形態は、リステリア菌、氷箱とエアコン システムを愛している細菌を含むこの雰囲気大好きです。リステリア菌は、その能力のレストランで食中毒の集団発生を引き起こすことで知られていますhttp://www.achrnews.com/articles/106240-mold-bacteria-protection-of-a-c-coil の研究。私はこの暖房のボイラーからの病状に苦しみます。申立てにそれは今すべてのアパートメントに熱を強制大事!安い政府提供していますが、致命的な蒸気を覚えて強制空気タイプは、最も一般的な冷暖房ジャーマンタウン、MD、ウィートン、MD、ハーンドン, バージニア、アーリントン、バージニア州アレクサンドリア、バージニア州を含む、メリーランド州とバージニア州北部のコミュニティの数にシステムと見なされますその多くの人々 に人気のある選択肢であることに主な要因は、その高速熱配信、信頼性、汎用性、設置費用が安価です。ここでの汎用性から離れて家を暖房や建物を冷却するために使用するシステムの能力を指します。彼らはしようとすると、次の選挙の味の細菌のアパートに住んでいる必要があります!として、近代的なマンション強制空気加熱装置が炉や熱交換器に最後に、フィルターに冷たい空気の戻り管にお部屋から空気を引くに送風機を使用して動作を組み込むことが。その後それは部屋で暖かい空気ダクトとレジスタに戻る吹き飛ばされる空気を加熱炉です。中炉、サーモスタットが通常オンになって気温が設定レベルを下回るとき。これは、規制し、バーナーまたはパイロット ライトに燃料を提供するガス弁をように求められます。これが起こるとき、バーナーの燃焼室の内部の熱をそれにより作成はそれから発火します。炉の古いタイプ、加熱された空気は送風機の代わりに自然対流によってお部屋に戻されます。このが http://www.harveyh
February 5th, 2016 at 11:26 pm
2016/06/5
BY ALEXANDER SIMON — Harold the Magician!!
I viewed a Johnston Fellowship famous author Mr. David Jaher I prise as “The Spirit World!” The famous Hungarian former policing for Budapest; never read this insight. The famous escape marvel Erik Weisz immigrated to the United States. According to Mr. Jaher a ‘troubled’ Spirit troubled this careful man who earned a doctor’s degree! While reading this well researched account in Edmonton I question why two photographs are unopen to Mr. Houdini? The orthodox presentation holds that a the séance is a dim. Yet two people here MS Mina Stinson and son Walter Stinson met the famous Magician, Harry! The viewed apparitions during the séance. Some jealous attendee killed this master of mind and … “on November 4, 1926 in New York with more than 2,000 mourners in attendance. He was buried in Queens New York at the Machpelah Cemetery with the crest of the Society of American Magicians … yet did his wife kill this man who was Catholic and not a Jew … Bess Houdini died in 1943 but was not allowed to be buried alongside her husband as she had requested, because she was not of Jewish descent. Bess was Jewish! Born: March 24, 1874, Budapest, Hungary challenged police forces to keep him locked up. If, a Catholic Hungarian died from an appendix the it was the his Jewish wife’s rotten lover!
February 10th, 2016 at 5:04 am
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