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	<description>A wise one knows moving mountains is beyond human power, but a fool has other thoughts...</description>
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		<title>Comment on Letter from a Chinese netizen to US President Barack Obama by Josef</title>
		<link>http://blog.foolsmountain.com/2010/03/10/letter-from-a-chinese-netizen-to-us-president-barack-obama/#comment-65367</link>
		<dc:creator>Josef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 08:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this information about Abraham Lincoln - I learned something (I am not American).
I thought the main reason, why Hongkong is rejected to conduct elections is the &quot;bad example&quot; which would trigger more unrest in the rest of the country. Therefore I extrapolated that PRC would never allow even a bigger discrimination between its citizens, i.e. a democratic Taiwan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this information about Abraham Lincoln &#8211; I learned something (I am not American).<br />
I thought the main reason, why Hongkong is rejected to conduct elections is the &#8220;bad example&#8221; which would trigger more unrest in the rest of the country. Therefore I extrapolated that PRC would never allow even a bigger discrimination between its citizens, i.e. a democratic Taiwan.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Letter from a Chinese netizen to US President Barack Obama by Nimrod</title>
		<link>http://blog.foolsmountain.com/2010/03/10/letter-from-a-chinese-netizen-to-us-president-barack-obama/#comment-65365</link>
		<dc:creator>Nimrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 07:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josef wrote:

There might be a difference in priority setting between Westerners and Chinese, but as taiwanese Chinese got used to this rights, for them, this difference is not so big anymore. And I don’t think a “democratic Taiwan” within a “One China” is a workable solution, while on the other hand the Hongkong approach would not fulfill the requirements.
It might be, seeing today’s PRC, that this freedoms are not so important, but there is no guarantee that today’s PRC, as an undemocratic system, is not changing back to a “Mao”-istic system, while a local return to a CKS Dictatorship, I think, can be excluded (and at least would be in the hand of the Taiwanese).

+++++
Actually I think the priority of the Taiwanese are quite close to that of the mainland Chinese, which is to live a good and comfortable life. People tend to favor the system they live in if they are doing well materially. That&#039;s just self-selection bias. 

By the way, would you like to tell, for the sake of argument, why a &quot;democratic Taiwan&quot; within &quot;One China&quot; is not workable? Besides that it may offend some people&#039;s ideological sensibilities? I can think of several farfetched doomsday scenarios that you can construct out of that, but they are just that: farfetched. China is not any more likely to become anachronistic than Taiwan. If anything, a highly &quot;democratic&quot; and populist political process is more likely to produce extreme results, to the extent that they mirror society&#039;s conflicting extremes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josef wrote:</p>
<p>There might be a difference in priority setting between Westerners and Chinese, but as taiwanese Chinese got used to this rights, for them, this difference is not so big anymore. And I don’t think a “democratic Taiwan” within a “One China” is a workable solution, while on the other hand the Hongkong approach would not fulfill the requirements.<br />
It might be, seeing today’s PRC, that this freedoms are not so important, but there is no guarantee that today’s PRC, as an undemocratic system, is not changing back to a “Mao”-istic system, while a local return to a CKS Dictatorship, I think, can be excluded (and at least would be in the hand of the Taiwanese).</p>
<p>+++++<br />
Actually I think the priority of the Taiwanese are quite close to that of the mainland Chinese, which is to live a good and comfortable life. People tend to favor the system they live in if they are doing well materially. That&#8217;s just self-selection bias. </p>
<p>By the way, would you like to tell, for the sake of argument, why a &#8220;democratic Taiwan&#8221; within &#8220;One China&#8221; is not workable? Besides that it may offend some people&#8217;s ideological sensibilities? I can think of several farfetched doomsday scenarios that you can construct out of that, but they are just that: farfetched. China is not any more likely to become anachronistic than Taiwan. If anything, a highly &#8220;democratic&#8221; and populist political process is more likely to produce extreme results, to the extent that they mirror society&#8217;s conflicting extremes.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Letter from a Chinese netizen to US President Barack Obama by Nimrod</title>
		<link>http://blog.foolsmountain.com/2010/03/10/letter-from-a-chinese-netizen-to-us-president-barack-obama/#comment-65364</link>
		<dc:creator>Nimrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 07:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lincoln said: &lt;em&gt;My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views.&lt;/em&gt;

Lincoln was the paramount pragmatist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lincoln said: <em>My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views.</em></p>
<p>Lincoln was the paramount pragmatist.</p>
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		<title>Comment on You Scratch My Back, but I Won’t Scratch Yours by buru</title>
		<link>http://blog.foolsmountain.com/2010/03/10/you-scratch-my-back-but-i-won%e2%80%99t-scratch-yours/#comment-65363</link>
		<dc:creator>buru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 07:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wuen,

 

&lt;i&gt;If you don’t understand, please ask a specific question and I will be glad to try to give an adequate answer.&lt;/i&gt;

  Sorry for butting-in ; I surmise you are from PRC, perhaps an party official. May I ask you:

i.You say South Tibet/Arunachal is just a bargaining chip for Aksai Chin.Fine.What about the Tawang tract..is PRC ready to forego that too?

ii.In 1962 war, PLA reached the Assam plains(Chinese claim line) in both the Western &amp; Eastern ends of South Tibet/Arunachal, but only half-hearted progress in the central regions; any reasons?
 
  just my curiosity..I am from Arunachal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wuen,</p>
<p><i>If you don’t understand, please ask a specific question and I will be glad to try to give an adequate answer.</i></p>
<p>  Sorry for butting-in ; I surmise you are from PRC, perhaps an party official. May I ask you:</p>
<p>i.You say South Tibet/Arunachal is just a bargaining chip for Aksai Chin.Fine.What about the Tawang tract..is PRC ready to forego that too?</p>
<p>ii.In 1962 war, PLA reached the Assam plains(Chinese claim line) in both the Western &amp; Eastern ends of South Tibet/Arunachal, but only half-hearted progress in the central regions; any reasons?</p>
<p>  just my curiosity..I am from Arunachal</p>
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		<title>Comment on Letter from a Chinese netizen to US President Barack Obama by Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 05:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Wasn’t Abraham Lincoln the one who regarded freedom of the people (translated to today wpould be, for example: press, speech religion… freedom, or simply: to read the FM blog) as a fundamental right for everyone?

No he wasn&#039;t. He may believe Blacks are human beings but he did not believe blacks should be granted the rights of American citizens, and did not wish that they be a part of American society. He believed that all blacks should be removed from the United States and resettled in some other country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Wasn’t Abraham Lincoln the one who regarded freedom of the people (translated to today wpould be, for example: press, speech religion… freedom, or simply: to read the FM blog) as a fundamental right for everyone?</p>
<p>No he wasn&#8217;t. He may believe Blacks are human beings but he did not believe blacks should be granted the rights of American citizens, and did not wish that they be a part of American society. He believed that all blacks should be removed from the United States and resettled in some other country.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Letter from a Chinese netizen to US President Barack Obama by scl</title>
		<link>http://blog.foolsmountain.com/2010/03/10/letter-from-a-chinese-netizen-to-us-president-barack-obama/#comment-65359</link>
		<dc:creator>scl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 04:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#31,

You really think Obama cares about voter sentiments? I think he only responses to corporation interests. So does the congress. I do not think most Chinese have any illusions about the U.S. president and congress. BTW, the U.S. is being screwed on issues of North Korea and Iran. They picked the wrong time to announce the weapons sale - arrogant, but not clever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#31,</p>
<p>You really think Obama cares about voter sentiments? I think he only responses to corporation interests. So does the congress. I do not think most Chinese have any illusions about the U.S. president and congress. BTW, the U.S. is being screwed on issues of North Korea and Iran. They picked the wrong time to announce the weapons sale &#8211; arrogant, but not clever.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Letter from a Chinese netizen to US President Barack Obama by Josef</title>
		<link>http://blog.foolsmountain.com/2010/03/10/letter-from-a-chinese-netizen-to-us-president-barack-obama/#comment-65358</link>
		<dc:creator>Josef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 04:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nimrod and k: You both don&#039;t seem to judge the fact that Taiwan has a democracy and freedom as an important point. (Hongkong did not have elections before, so cannot serve as an example) 

It seems also slightly strange to me this references to Abraham Lincoln in the letter above: Wasn&#039;t Abraham Lincoln the one who regarded freedom of the people (translated to today wpould be,  for example: press, speech religion...  freedom, or simply: to read the FM blog) as a fundamental right for everyone? How should Obama let people, who enjoy this freedom be unified with people who doesn&#039;t? (on top of the public opinion in the U.S.).

There might be a difference in priority setting between Westerners and Chinese, but as taiwanese Chinese got used to this rights, for them, this difference is not so big anymore. And I don&#039;t think a &quot;democratic Taiwan&quot; within a &quot;One China&quot; is a workable solution, while on the other hand the Hongkong approach would not fulfill the requirements.
It might be, seeing today&#039;s PRC, that this freedoms are not so important, but there is no guarantee that today&#039;s PRC, as an undemocratic system,  is not changing back to a &quot;Mao&quot;-istic system, while a local return to a CKS Dictatorship, I think, can be excluded (and at least would be in the hand of the Taiwanese).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nimrod and k: You both don&#8217;t seem to judge the fact that Taiwan has a democracy and freedom as an important point. (Hongkong did not have elections before, so cannot serve as an example) </p>
<p>It seems also slightly strange to me this references to Abraham Lincoln in the letter above: Wasn&#8217;t Abraham Lincoln the one who regarded freedom of the people (translated to today wpould be,  for example: press, speech religion&#8230;  freedom, or simply: to read the FM blog) as a fundamental right for everyone? How should Obama let people, who enjoy this freedom be unified with people who doesn&#8217;t? (on top of the public opinion in the U.S.).</p>
<p>There might be a difference in priority setting between Westerners and Chinese, but as taiwanese Chinese got used to this rights, for them, this difference is not so big anymore. And I don&#8217;t think a &#8220;democratic Taiwan&#8221; within a &#8220;One China&#8221; is a workable solution, while on the other hand the Hongkong approach would not fulfill the requirements.<br />
It might be, seeing today&#8217;s PRC, that this freedoms are not so important, but there is no guarantee that today&#8217;s PRC, as an undemocratic system,  is not changing back to a &#8220;Mao&#8221;-istic system, while a local return to a CKS Dictatorship, I think, can be excluded (and at least would be in the hand of the Taiwanese).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Shanghai Style: Pajamas in the Great Outdoors by ECP</title>
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		<dc:creator>ECP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 03:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great job with this story! Used to be people were poor - really really poor. Only able to afford 1 set of clothes. Work and sleep in one set only. Wore them till they fell off your back. Terrible Poverty. When you made enough money to be able to afford a 2nd set of clothes it would be for sleeping.
Originally walking in you sleeping clothes was to show off - show that you were rich enough to have a 2nd set. Something to be envied by your neighbor.
This is essentially the origin of pj&#039;s. To show off your wealth. But  . . . this really isn&#039;t a measure of status but uneducated dirt poor farmers / workers who really didn&#039;t understand what it means to have wealth. This is the root of the cultural practice. However it started it is still a wonderful quirky expression of culture and it would be a shame to loose it. 
 ~ Educational CyberPlayGround</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great job with this story! Used to be people were poor &#8211; really really poor. Only able to afford 1 set of clothes. Work and sleep in one set only. Wore them till they fell off your back. Terrible Poverty. When you made enough money to be able to afford a 2nd set of clothes it would be for sleeping.<br />
Originally walking in you sleeping clothes was to show off &#8211; show that you were rich enough to have a 2nd set. Something to be envied by your neighbor.<br />
This is essentially the origin of pj&#8217;s. To show off your wealth. But  . . . this really isn&#8217;t a measure of status but uneducated dirt poor farmers / workers who really didn&#8217;t understand what it means to have wealth. This is the root of the cultural practice. However it started it is still a wonderful quirky expression of culture and it would be a shame to loose it.<br />
 ~ Educational CyberPlayGround</p>
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		<title>Comment on A political prisoner in Sweden by Charles Liu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Liu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 03:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hemulen, Hu Jia is Chinese, not American. But that did not stop him from passing information to US emnbassy personnel, and taking hundreds of thousands US government money via the NED. 

To the Chinese Maihesuti&#039;s activism in helping fight terrorism against China is contrbution in global security.

Like I said, this is not our narrative, so no Nobel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hemulen, Hu Jia is Chinese, not American. But that did not stop him from passing information to US emnbassy personnel, and taking hundreds of thousands US government money via the NED. </p>
<p>To the Chinese Maihesuti&#8217;s activism in helping fight terrorism against China is contrbution in global security.</p>
<p>Like I said, this is not our narrative, so no Nobel.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Google &#8211; A New Approach to China by r v</title>
		<link>http://blog.foolsmountain.com/2010/01/13/a-new-approach-to-china/#comment-65340</link>
		<dc:creator>r v</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll believe it when I see it.

Google&#039;s words have not been as reliable as it used to be.

As we say in contract law class, it&#039;s not the real deal until they sign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll believe it when I see it.</p>
<p>Google&#8217;s words have not been as reliable as it used to be.</p>
<p>As we say in contract law class, it&#8217;s not the real deal until they sign.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Written Interview with Kalon Tripa Prof. S. Rinpoche by wuen</title>
		<link>http://blog.foolsmountain.com/2010/02/25/written-interview-with-kalon-tripa-prof-s-rinpoche/#comment-65332</link>
		<dc:creator>wuen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Steve.

Since you are the administrator, I cannot dispute with your claim. I do not know how you infer these signature name are from different countries. I respect the code of conduct of this blog and I admit I made a breach of conduct. I apologize for my action of deviating from the subject of conversation and associating Victor with hainan88 without substantial proof.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Steve.</p>
<p>Since you are the administrator, I cannot dispute with your claim. I do not know how you infer these signature name are from different countries. I respect the code of conduct of this blog and I admit I made a breach of conduct. I apologize for my action of deviating from the subject of conversation and associating Victor with hainan88 without substantial proof.</p>
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		<dc:creator>pug_ster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2010-03/11/content_9572837.htm

Looks like google is leaving.</description>
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<p>Looks like google is leaving.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Written Interview with Kalon Tripa Prof. S. Rinpoche by Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Wuen #61: Wuen, Victor/Jianjun and hainan88 live in completely different countries. Just because you want to believe something doesn&#039;t make it true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Wuen #61: Wuen, Victor/Jianjun and hainan88 live in completely different countries. Just because you want to believe something doesn&#8217;t make it true.</p>
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		<dc:creator>tanjin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Behind a Power Plant’s Efficiency Drive  

I rarely read a good report on China coming out of Wall Street Journal. This one is on China&#039;s efforts to reduce emission intensity.

http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2010/03/10/behind-a-power-plants-efficiency-drive/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Behind a Power Plant’s Efficiency Drive  </p>
<p>I rarely read a good report on China coming out of Wall Street Journal. This one is on China&#8217;s efforts to reduce emission intensity.</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2010/03/10/behind-a-power-plants-efficiency-drive/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2010/03/10/behind-a-power-plants-efficiency-drive/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on You Scratch My Back, but I Won’t Scratch Yours by tanjin</title>
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		<dc:creator>tanjin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For both Indians and Americans, and their governments, they can learn a great deal from Mr. Farvel&#039;s research 

the Chinese way of negotiation on conflicts: if you are hard, then we will be harder and stronger; if you are soft and reasonable, then we will be softer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For both Indians and Americans, and their governments, they can learn a great deal from Mr. Farvel&#8217;s research </p>
<p>the Chinese way of negotiation on conflicts: if you are hard, then we will be harder and stronger; if you are soft and reasonable, then we will be softer.</p>
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