(حرف) مسك الصين يقدّم "مورثة يخدّر" إلى رياضيات
يصنّف دون:- [ميني-بوستس], وسط | بطاقات:يخدّر, أوساط, لعبة أولمبيّة
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غير أنّ يذهب هو فوق:
? الإذاعة وثائقيّة? لم يقدّم بيّنة أنّ المستشفى كان قد زوّد مورثة يخدّر إلى أخرى رياضيات… يقول العربة وهميّة هو يبحث [ستم-سلّ] معالجة لواحدة من سبّاحه."
"نعم. نحن نتلقّى رفض خبرة مع رياضيات هنا, غير أنّ المعالجة آمنة ونحن يستطيع ساعدت أنت," الدكتورة يجيب.?
هكذا, ماذا أنهى فوق يحدث كان دكتورة وحيدة كان يمسك يقدّم [ستم سلّ] (أيّ نحن نعرف يتلقّى لم يكن برهنت أن يعمل) إلى [أوندركفر] مراسلة. اعترف الدكتورة حتّى هو يتلقّى أبدا يعامل رياضيات من قبل. ربّما الوحيدة أخبار كان جزء جديرة من القصة أنّ الدكتورة يقدّم [ه] إلى ال [أوندركفر] يعرف هو كان غير شرعيّ, غير أنّ أنّ كان دفنت في المادة. أنا أفكّر كلّ شخص يستطيع وافقت كان هذا على نحو رديء يتصوّر قصة, [سنسأيشنليزد] مع? مورثة يخدّر? , تهم واسعة من? الصين يحصل يمسك? كلّ يقيّد داخل مع اللعبة أولمبيّة, [إفن ثوو] يقرأ الجسم من المادة [كمبريز] العنوان.
تباينت الآن, المادة مع هذا واحدة.
أنت يستطيع بأمان استنتجت أنّ المعالجة هذا بنت صغيرة يكون يحصل على الأرجح [كلوس تو] ماذا الدكتورة كان اقترح إلى ال [أوندركفر]. هو? سيزيد [س] على الأرجح ال نفسه عمليّة بيع درجة, ال [ستم سلّ] هذا, يقوّي أنّ. غير أنّ النغمة من المادة كلّيّا مختلفة, هو? [س] إلى حدّ ما محايدة مع بعض أنغام مشجّعة هنا وهناك.
كلا مصادر من الولايات المتّحدة الأمريكيّة, [تلك بووت] تقريبا ال نفسه إجراءات, غير أنّ الأنغام 180 من بعضهم بعضا. هذا صحيحة تحليل رسميّة غير أنّ في الخطة عظيمة أشياء, هذا حالات يساعدون مستعجلة رأيي أنّ بينما هناك يكون تقارير متحيّزة على الصين, نحن سوفت تفاديت على يعمّم? غربيّة? أوساط لأنّ أنّ لم [تك ينتو كّوونت] أخرى قصص أنّ يكون متوازنة.
[سنسأيشنليزد] [إين دّيأيشن], القصة كان على [مسنبك], غير أنّ هو? [س] حقّا [أب] قصة. If you are mad about the AP story, you should be angry at the writer/editor of the story, and not ?western? media. Always differentiate who really is responsible, unless you want to fall into the same trap the first article did by blaming China for the actions of one man.
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This post was submitted by yo.
July 23rd, 2008 at 11:37 pm
There are many facts the German report has ignored:
First of all, is there even such thing as gene doping? Does stem cell therapy qualify as gene doping? According to Wikipedia, the only type of gene therapy that is associated with doping is Repoxygen, and that is not what’s been offered by this doctor.
Stem cell threapy that’s done in Asia, South America, are “unproven stem cell therapy” that International Society for Stem Cell Research has called “snake oil”. Injection of stem cell does not alter the genes, thus is not gene therapy.
There are some evidence stem cell may repair damaged tissue, but they seldom turn into actual muscle/nerve that its use remain unproven:
http://www.google.com/search?q=stem+cell+therapy+unproven
See for yourself.
July 23rd, 2008 at 11:38 pm
I think this is a good time to link to this article from ABC News, titled “Sports Medicine Miracle”:
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Exercise/Story?id=3038931&page=1
In the United States, gene therapy for athletes is called a “medicine miracle”. In China, its called “doping”.
July 24th, 2008 at 12:26 am
Thanks yo for giving the alternate story as well.
Stem cell research is important research. It is an ethical shame that the US can be so closed minded to this research. At the same time, the source of the stem cells is an ethical issue… difficult road with many good potentials.
The sports stem cell story sounds fishy. One reporter talking with one doctor… who is scamming who? As with similar stories, the real issue is establishing an ethical medical culture rather that manufactured doping rumors.
Up the treatment price to $50,000USD and the “doc” might have also offered a side of kidney from whatever source the “doc” figured would seal the deal.
Sort of related is the broader issue of healthcare in China. As much as I’m a free market advocate, I feel that healthcare is something that should be socialized.
July 24th, 2008 at 12:28 am
Well written. AP is pretty sensationalist but not as bad NPR. Both are groups that if you are a Chinese company or doing business in China, you should stay away from.
Here is a quote that I like:
“”New medical truths do not have significant impact until they are packaged and presented according to accepted guidelines,”
Basically in China, there is a general feeling that stem cells are effective for some diseases that have not been FDA approved in the west. There are publications in Chinese etc. and there is data. However, there have been little efforts to take the next step and get the data published in the top international publications. Basically because the amount of effort it takes, most specifically for data coming from china, is not worth the work. At some point as the companies expand overseas, it will be worth it and there is so much clinical work being done that the data will be very interesting though it probably will still be attacked as the scientific community in the west has their hands tied and this stuff is threatening to them.
Here are some more articles that are little less sensationalized and more about the patients.
http://www.stemcellschina.com/content/category/1/1/8/lang,en/
- Jon
July 24th, 2008 at 1:09 am
Whether we should develop stem cell therapy is basically a ethic problem; and the ethic in different culture can be totally different. If giving answer according traditional Chinese view, yes, it should be developed.
July 24th, 2008 at 1:11 am
I have to point out that current Chinese stance on this issue is far from our tradition.
July 24th, 2008 at 8:10 am
To Yo,
nice post. Nice to see the contrast between the 2 articles. THe MSN one is quite disappointing, because as you say, at worst they’ve identified one bad apple, and that is hardly reason to paint all of CHina with such a broad brush. Besides, this doc must be kinda dim…who in their right mind would offer HGH, “steroids”, or EPO at this point, so close to the games. You know they’ll be screening for those.
But as you say, it would be premature to conclude that, because some journalists are insufficiently rigorous in their methods, there is a larger sinister conspiracy at play among all western media to indiscriminately crap on China.
On a separate note, I would echo others here that I, for one, would love to see research on embryonic stem cells proceed full speed ahead, and if the US wants to get left behind because of ideology, that’s their loss.
July 24th, 2008 at 9:37 am
The first story is waaaaay over the top, and not to be taken seriously. ‘China’ caught ‘gene doping’? Rubbish.
July 24th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
“China has never given approval to any hospital to offer performance-enhancing stem-cell therapy, an official with the Ministry of Health said here on Thursday.
The official made the remarks in response to a German TV report that some Chinese hospitals offer what is described as performance-enhancing gene therapy treatment.”
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/olympics/2008-07/24/content_6874846.htm
July 24th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
thanks for the compliments guys. Yeah, when I saw that on MSNBC, I was like, okay, I’ll bite, what’s going on here? Someone already said this, but after finding the second story, I don’t want to say the stem cell therapy that the doctor was advocating was snake oil (you try telling that to the little girl), but it hasn’t be proven. So when I saw gene doping, I was wondering if China was already so advance that they leap frogged everyone else in this field
As a side note, I agree with others on this thread who say that stem cell research should be advanced.
My opinion of the AP is going down hill. I remember they had other articles that were not as crappy as this one, but were not balanced. It’s funny, I meet an AP reporter at a party a while back and I was shocked talking to him. He was in his 20’s and I was thinking, wow, i get my news from you, seriously?
But for all we know, most of the low quality articles could have been written by a few people, dedicated to “Asian Stories”(or perhaps an Asian bureau). And as we saw with MSNBC, they didn’t write it themselves, but picked it up from the AP. This is true for fox cnn abc, etc. So it’s conceivable that a couple of bad writers from the AP pushes out some poor piece, and it gets propagated to other news outlets, thus compounding the effect. I suggest people should actively note who is actually writing the news articles. You would be surprised how many articles from cnn or msnbc are just picked up copies from other news outlets.
July 24th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
@yo,
I think that’s actually the real reason for the anti-China stories common in the West earlier this summer. Much of the media isn’t anti-China, but much of the media is very lazy. The number of reporters writing English-language stories from China can (not during Olympics season) probably be counted on two hands; the other thousands of news sources in the West rely on what they report. And even these reporters on the ground rely on standard “channels” they’ve developed for stories.
I have a close friend who’s also an AP writer, for a local bureau in the United States. He has a masters’ degree in journalism, quit a different career to go into the field, and enjoys his job while being very good at it… but he’s “just” a writer, he’s nothing close to an investigative journalist.
When he or others at his bureau wants interview leads for a story, he’ll send an email to his friends. “Any of you tried XXX/YYY? Anyone know anything about ZZZ?” That attitude is fine for some stories, but when we’re talking about the China/West divide, we need better.
July 24th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
Buxi,
“media is very lazy”
Couldn’t agree more. I think journalism is inherently a noble profession but some journalists(like the AP writer in this post) have been lazy on China. True, I mean most journalists probably don’t have the resources of a Ted Koppel who went to China to do a story, so their sources are limited to a few second hand accounts from other reports on the field, which can pose a problem.
Actually, I remember Danwei doing a forum where a journalist said that he doesn’t use sites like ESWN to generate stories, but uses it as a guide and more importantly as a translation service. Perhaps that could be a good solution, have more services like ESWN to bridge the language and geography gap.
Also, to clarify, I don’t think all the AP is bad. Your friend is probably a good journalist. I can only speak in a qualitative sense with my impressions on the AP. I just don’t want to give you the wrong impression.
August 1st, 2008 at 9:29 pm
Follow up on the story.
The German reporter who investigated this story has refused to help the authority to investigate this allegation. I don’t know what is the reason for refusing to identify the doctor when he has obviousely violated China’s laws and regulation on medical practice.
Maybe someone can tell me what the journalistic standards are on reporting crime. Do journalists have the right to protect arsenist over public safety?
August 1st, 2008 at 9:39 pm
Opps, forgot to attach story:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25886378/
August 4th, 2008 at 3:19 am
Charles,
Thanks for the follow up.
Wow, that German reporter is unbelievable. He does an undercover story to expose a problem, hopefully to highlight it so it could be solved, and then later refuses to assist in identifying the doctor so the authorities could investigate the problem … just unbelievable. This journalist and his story has definitely lost a lot of credibility.
But hey, this also illustrates a good and balanced report by the AP after the slash and grab job they did with the first article. So back to my original point in the article, always keep an eye on the whole picture.