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35 Responses to “Loongson Lives: Release of Linux PC with Chinese processor” 35的反应， “龙芯生活：释放Linux电脑处理器与中国”

1. Buxi Says: buxi说：
   July 11th, 2008 at 6:29 am 2008年7月11日在上午06时29分

   I’ve also built a few Home-Theater PCs (HTPC) on Windows-based mini computers in the past.我还建起了数家庭影院个人电脑（ htpc ）基于Windows的迷你电脑在过去的。 With a DVI port and nice little enclosure on the Fuloong, I think it’d make an awesome (and very low cost) HTPC.与DVI端口和尼斯小文就fuloong ，我觉得要作出一个可怕（和非常低的成本） htpc 。

   I’ve used Linux for years, but not really kept up… are there any very respectable DVD players for Linux?我已使用的Linux多年，但没有真正跟上…是否有任何非常尊敬的DVD播放机的Linux呢？

2. Nimrod Says: 尼姆罗德说：
   July 11th, 2008 at 6:36 am 2008年7月11日在上午06时36分

   Didn’t this used to be called “Godson”?没有用，这被称为“龙芯” ？ I mean the literal meaning is “dragon chip”, so I guess “Loongson” is going for phonetics…我的意思是字面意思是“龙芯片” ，所以我猜测“龙芯”是为语音…

3. pug_ster Says: pug_ster说：
   July 11th, 2008 at 8:20 am 2008年7月11日在上午8时20分

   Don’t expect these computers to run Windows for these Loongson processors are MIPS compatible and not x86 compatible.不要指望这些电脑运行Windows为这些龙芯处理器的MIPS兼容，而不是x86相容。 Sad because more than 90% of the computers can run windows and these are the 10%.可悲的，因为百分之九十以上的电脑可以运行Windows操作系统，这是10 ％ 。 However, these processors are generally low powered.不过，这些处理器通常是低功率。

4. BMY Says: bmy说：
   July 11th, 2008 at 8:27 am 2008年7月11日在上午8时27分

   It’s interesting.它的有趣。 Was that a “闭门造车”？So many companies have already had the technology.是“闭门造车”呢？这么多公司已经有技术。

   It’s good to have the technology in house in case other people stop exporting processors to China.它的好，有技术在众议院的情况下其他人停止出口到中国的处理器。

   The spec of the PC is enough for general consumer use if consumers use Linux and no problem to host foolsmountain.规格的个人电脑是足够一般消费者使用，如果消费者使用Linux和没有问题的东道国foolsmountain 。

   I guess the chip price didn’t really count the overall investment in the past decade.我猜想芯片的价格并没有真正指望整体的投资在过去的十年里。 If Intel spent that much money and time to develop the chip and sell it with this price they would lose money.如果英特尔花了很多金钱和时间，以发展芯片和销售它与这个价格，他们会失去金钱。

   It’s strange to let a French company make the chips.它的奇怪，让一家法国公司，使芯片。 There are quite few factories in Shanghai should be capable to manufacture them.有不少少数工厂在上海，应该有能力制造。

   all the computer DVD drives regardless Japanese or Korean brands might be all made in the same village in Guangdong.所有的电脑DVD驱动器，无论日本或韩国品牌，可能都在同一个村在广东省。 no need be that picky, mate.没有必要是挑剔，交配。 they are so cheap.他们是这么便宜。 I’ am not a fan of Linux at all. '我不是一个范的Linux在所有。 Maybe I am lazy or too old to remember all the commands.也许我懒惰或太旧，以记住所有的命令。

5. WillF Says: willf说：
   July 11th, 2008 at 8:40 am 2008年7月11日在上午8时40分

   I’ma bit confused as to the purpose of this whole project.我是有点混乱，以的目的，这整个项目。 Why was it so controversial?为什么会这样具争议性？ And what did it’s backers hope to achieve with it?什么它的支持者希望达到它？

6. BMY Says: bmy说：
   July 11th, 2008 at 8:40 am 2008年7月11日在上午8时40分

   It’s hardly see any MIPS powered desktops.它的几乎看不到任何精神上无行为能力的动力桌上型电脑。 The Macs now are intel Based.互委会现在是基于Intel 。

   There should be a game console “Longwan”（龙玩） following this processor together might be a hit.应该有一个游戏控制台“龙湾” （龙玩）以下的处理器，这一起可能是一个打击。

7. Buxi Says: buxi说：
   July 11th, 2008 at 3:08 pm 2008年7月11日在下午3时08分

   @BMY, @ bmy ，

   It’s interesting.它的有趣。 Was that a “闭门造车”？So many companies have already had the technology.是“闭门造车”呢？这么多公司已经有技术。

   Yep, that’s definitely true. yep ，那肯定是真的。 If you look at the list of MIPS64-licensees… they really are a dime a dozen.如果你看看名单mips64持牌人… …他们真的是一毛钱一打。 There are tens of companies of all sizes, including some smaller startups, with MIPS architecture processors.有数以万计的各种规模的公司，包括一些规模较小的初创公司，与MIPS架构的处理器。 And MIPS is definitely not the only option… the French/German systems I linked above are based on the AMD Geode, which is x86.和MIPS是绝对不是唯一的选择…该法语/德语系统I联系以上都是基于AMD的Geode ，这是x86 。

   But maybe this chip is better performing than many of those alternatives…?但也许，这种芯片是更好的表演比许多人的选择… … ？ We’ll have to see some real benchmarks to know.我们会看到一些真实的基准知道。 We really should get a system into the hands of Tom’s Hardware to find out.我们真的应得的制度，把手中的汤姆的硬件来一探究竟。 I don’t know if there are any performance benchmarks from Chinese IT sites yet.我不知道如果有任何的业绩基准，从中国的IT网站。

   I don’t really understand the choice to use ST Micro.我真的不明白，选择使用ST微电子。 But I wonder if maybe they were concerned that it would look like political pressure if they fabbed with SMIC?但我怀疑，如果可能，他们关切的是，它看起来就像政治压力，如果他们fabbed与中芯国际？ And going to ST Micro is at least some proof that there’s commercial interest here?去ST微电子是至少有一些证据，证明有商业利益在这里出现？

   If Huawei (which is now one of the top embedded/network/telecom companies in the world) started using this thing… it would take off.如果华为（这是现在最关心的问题之一嵌入式/网络/电信公司在世界上）开始使用这件事… …它会起飞。

8. Buxi Says: buxi说：
   July 11th, 2008 at 3:21 pm 2008年7月11日在下午3时21分

   @WillF, @ willf ，

   I’ma bit confused as to the purpose of this whole project.我是有点混乱，以的目的，这整个项目。 Why was it so controversial?为什么会这样具争议性？ And what did it’s backers hope to achieve with it?什么它的支持者希望达到它？

   You can compare it to China’s effort to push a native cellular 3G standard, HD-DVD, and even domestic big jet… in order to stimulate native development, the government has been pushing for entirely home-grown solutions built from the ground up (while learning from the best of the West of course).您可以比较，它向中国所作的努力，推动本土蜂窝3 G标准， HD - DVD的，甚至国内大喷… …在以刺激本土的发展，政府一直在推动完全是土生土长的解决方案，建立了从地面上升（学习的同时，从最好的西当然） 。

   The policy goal in all of these cases is to avoid the “trap” of paying royalty payments to Western companies who build the technology, who will then continue to extend their lead in this technology by working on newer and newer generations of products… the goal is to build a Chinese competitor to these companies.政策目标在所有这些情况下是要避免“陷阱”支付的专利费，以西方国家的公司谁建设技术，谁就会继续扩大领先优势，在这项技术的工作，对较新的和较新的一代又一代的产品…目标是建立一个中国的竞争对手，这些公司。

   But in order to achieve this goal, a lot of money has been invested.但是，为了达到这个目标，很多钱，已经投入。 And there are a lot of people skeptical that a government-funded project can succeed, no matter how much money you pour into it.并有很多人持怀疑态度，一个政府资助的项目能够成功，无论多少钱，你涌入。

   I say, with AMD’s market cap drifting at only $3 billion these days… just buy AMD!我说，与AMD公司的市值漂流在只有30亿美元，这些天…刚刚购买AMD ！

9. Nimrod Says: 尼姆罗德说：
   July 11th, 2008 at 4:37 pm 2008年7月11日在下午4时37分

   Yeah right… Congress will definitely intervene if any Chinese company tries to buy AMD, or “American technology”.嗯有权… …国会一定会介入，如果有任何中国公司试图购买AMD ，或“美国技术” 。

10. pug_ster Says: pug_ster说：
    July 11th, 2008 at 10:11 pm 2008年7月11日在下午10时11分

    @Nimrod, @尼姆罗德，

    True, when Intel want to build a Fab in Hailan, US interviened and told Intel not to build anything advanced there.诚然，当英特尔希望建立一个晶圆厂在海兰，美国interviened ，并告诉英特尔不建立任何先进。 So they are going to build a 90 nm Fab instead of a more modern 45nm or lower technology making chipsets and not processors.因此，他们要建立一个90纳米晶圆厂，而是一个更现代的45纳米或更低的技术，使芯片组，而不是处理器。 Truly sad.真正可悲的。

11. Buxi Says: buxi说：
    July 11th, 2008 at 10:18 pm 2008年7月11日在下午10时18分

    Better example than that.更好的例子比。 When Huawei tried to buy 3Com earlier this year (along with Bain Capital), the US government blocked it on national security grounds.当华为试图购买3 Com公司在今年早些时候（随的Bain Capital ） ，美国政府阻止它基于国家安全的理由。

    I guess these are all compelling reasons why the Loongson project should go ahead.我猜想，这些都是迫不得已的原因，龙芯项目应先行。

12. opersai Says: opersai说：
    July 12th, 2008 at 12:46 am 2008年7月12日在上午12时46分

    Very interesting.很有趣。 I’ve only heard a little about this project just not long ago.我只听到一些关于这个项目刚刚不久前。 I really hope more of these home-grown project will thrive.我真的希望有更多的这些土生土长的项目将蓬勃发展。 In high-tech areas especially.在高科技领域尤其是。 I also wish there will be more innovative Chinese project.我也想会有更多创新的中国项目。 Currently, most of the web edge driving phenomena are happening in US, start by US companies, Facebook, Twitter, Google… you name it!目前，大多数的网络优势，驾驶的现象发生在美国，开始由美国的公司，脸谱， twitter ， Google的… …你的名字！ We can’t rely on cheap labor much longer.我们不能依靠廉价劳动力的长得多。 There’sa urgent need for more things made BY China, not from China.有迫切需要更多的事情所作的中国，而不是来自中国。

13. eastman Says: 伊士曼说：
    July 12th, 2008 at 3:16 am 2008年7月12日在上午03时16分

    —”many were skeptical a Loongson-2 based computer would ever be produced and sold”? -“许多人持怀疑态度龙芯1 - 2为基础的计算机将永远不会生产和销售”呢？
    Nonsense!胡说八道！ I bought one and think of it not bad我买了一和认为这是不坏

14. Buxi Says: buxi说：
    July 12th, 2008 at 3:59 am 2008年7月12日在上午03时59分

    @eastman, @伊士曼，

    You’re right, there were some Loongson-2E systems sold!您的权利，也有一些龙芯- 2e系统的销售！ How do you like yours?你怎么想你吗？

    Why were so many people doubtful and skeptical about the existence of a -2F based computer??为什么那么多人怀疑，并持怀疑态度的存在，一个2楼的电脑吗？

15. deltaeco Says: deltaeco说：
    July 12th, 2008 at 8:59 am 2008年7月12日在上午8时59分

    Maybe they should pack it like the Atari ST.也许他们应该包，它像Atari公司圣。

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_st http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/atari_st

    Or better.或更好。 Could they use the chip as main CPU for a project similar to OLPC?他们可以利用该芯片作为主CPU的一个项目类似olpc ？

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olpc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/olpc

    Or BBC Computer或英国广播公司的电脑
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bbc_micro http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/bbc_micro

    CCTV computer?中央电视台的电脑吗？

    They could use a similar idea to flood schools in CH with local made and designed computers, obtain economies of scale to make production more cost effective and the same time promoting scientific education.他们可以利用类似的想法，以防洪学校在CH与当地提出和设计的电脑，获取规模经济，使生产更具成本效益和相同的时间，促进科学教育。
    That’s the way Apple gained a good foothold in computer market share, education market (future customers), until they became more a “boutique” computer manufacturer.这就是苹果，获得了良好的立足点，在电脑的市场份额，教育市场（未来的客户） ，直到他们变得更加“精品店”的电脑制造商。 Fancy shiny products…花式有光泽的产品…
    I still remember schools packed with Apple II, long time ago.我还记得，学校挤满了通过Apple II ，在很久以前。

    If a big enough installation base is achieved, interesting software will follow, which is usually the Achilles heel of new processors.如果一个足够大的安装基地，是实现，有趣的软件会跟进，这是通常的致命弱点的新型处理器。
    If project goes reasonably well, start designing higher end models.如果项目有云，以及合理的，开始设计较高的高端机型。 For teachers, and for the kids as they grow up.为教师，并为孩子们，因为他们成长起来。 Even for interested business people.即使有兴趣的商界人士。
    Something like what apple attempted with Apple III.像什么苹果，企图与苹果电脑第三。

    With some luck, you may end with an interesting alternative to IBM PC+Intel+Windows architecture.与一些运气，你最终可能会与一个有趣的替代IBM的PC + +英特尔的Windows架构。

16. jeni Says: jeni说：
    July 12th, 2008 at 3:56 pm 2008年7月12日在下午3时56分

    I’ma bit concerned about the我是位关心 Intellectual Property issues involved here知识产权所涉及的问题在这里 . 。 How much Windows Media Player code does this Linux distribution use?有多大的Windows Media Player代码，这是否Linux的分配使用？

17. Buxi Says: buxi说：
    July 12th, 2008 at 4:08 pm 2008年7月12日在下午4时08分

    @deltaecho, @ deltaecho ，

    Yep, the rural education market is very important and meaningful. yep ，农村教育市场是非常重要和有意义的。 That’s what Lemote promised to target with their products.这是什么lemote承诺的目标，与他们的产品。 I’ma little surprised that the government hasn’t put in a big buy to support this project… perhaps the government is really trying to stay neutral on the buying side, and allow the market decide which companies thrive.我很少感到惊讶的是，政府并没有付诸表决，在一个很大的购买，以支持这一项目…也许政府是真的要保持中立，对购买方，并允许市场来决定哪些公司的蓬勃发展。

    I’m really thinking about getting one of these to play with, after the next batch of units are made available.我真的想获得其中的发挥，之后，下一批单位提供。 They could probably use an American/European distributor, if anyone’s interested in that business.他们可能使用美国/欧洲的分销商，如果任何人的兴趣在这方面的业务。

    @jeni, @ jeni ，

    Welcome!欢迎！ LOL, we have various people pitching “The Truth” here, and it’s interesting to see another contestant on behalf of the evil empire. lol ，我们有不同的人俯仰“真相”在这里，和它的有趣地看到，另一参赛者就代表邪恶帝国。

    As a former developer at Microsoft (and I believe several others here are in the same boat)… the “high quality object-oriented C++” mentioned on that site isn’t exactly convincing.作为前开发在微软（和我相信其他几个在这里是同坐一条船） … … “高品质的面向对象的C + +中提到”在该网站上是不完全令人信服。 I’ll let the lawyers (and we have many of those here too) decide whether there’s really intellectual property issues involved.我将让律师（和我们有很多的那些在这里太）决定是否有真正的知识产权所涉及的问题。

18. FOARP foarp Says:说：
    July 15th, 2008 at 7:31 pm 2008年7月15日在下午7点31分

    @Jeni - Can I second that lol? @ jeni -我可以，第二l ol？ That site is pure rubbish, and gives nothing but 404 messages for all of its ‘proofs’.该网站是纯粹的垃圾，并给出了什么，但404的邮件，其所有'证据' 。 I know of no patent infringement cases against Linux, SCO did bring a copyright infringement case (in the US I think) but it was decided that they didn’t actually own the copyright.据我所知，没有专利侵权案件对Linux的，上海合作组织没有带来侵犯版权的案件（在美国，我觉得） ，但它是决定他们实际上并没有拥有该作品的版权。 Yes, Steve Balmer may have made some veiled threats, but it’sa long way from there to this:是的，史蒂夫巴耳末可能已取得了一些含蓄的威胁，但它是长的路要走，有这样：

    “Don’t risk your personal and professional future. “不要风险，您的个人和专业的未来。 Ask anyone, Linux clearly violates Microsoft Intellectual Property.随便问， Linux的明显违反微软的知识产权。 This has been proven in a court of law [1].这已被证明在法庭上的法律[ 1 ] 。

    Sixty three [63] Microsoft software patents are stolen just to get Linux to boot up. 63 [ 63 ]微软软件专利被盗只是为了获得Linux的开机。 And thousands more are infringed on by runlevel 5 [multi-user, networking, X11].”还有数以千计的受到侵害就由运行级别5 [多用户，网络， x11 ] “ 。

    Do a search yourself, no patent cases or other IP infringement cases have been brought by Microsoft - I have no idea where they got the figure of 63 Microsoft patents being ’stolen’ from.做搜索自己，没有专利案件或其他知识产权侵权案件得到了由微软-我不知道他们得到的数字， 6 3微软专利被'偷' 。 But most importantly for the purposes of your question, China does not allow software to be patented, instead software is covered by copyright law, in which case the whole idea/expression dichotomy and derivation problems come in. So to give you a short answer - no, IP infringement is not likely to be a problem in China or Europe, and since no patent infringement case has been brought yet in the States, I ‘m going to hazard a guess that it isn’ta problem there either.但最重要的为施行你的问题，中国不容许软件专利，而不是软件所涵盖的著作权法，在这种情况下，整个构思/表达二分法和推导的问题，进来，以便给你一个简单的答案-没有，知识产权侵权是不太可能是一个问题在中国或欧洲，由于没有专利侵权案件已带来然而，在国家，我'米去猜测，这不是有问题。

    Searching a bit further - the Microsoft threat was sparked by a study written by an anti-software patent campaigner which showed that Linux might be infringing as many as 280+ patents, this is what he had to say on it:搜索有点进一步-微软的威胁所引发的一项研究，撰写的一反软件专利运动，这表明L inux的可能侵权多达2 80+专利，这是什么，他说，资讯科技：

    “Open source faces no more, if not less, legal risk than proprietary software,” Ravicher told technology news site eWeek. “开放源码面临没有更多的，如果不是更少的法律风险比专有软件， ” ravicher说，科技新闻网站eWeek网站。 “The market needs to understand that the study Microsoft is citing actually proves the opposite of what they claim it does. “市场的需要，要了解，研究微软是引用，实际上证明了相反的是什么他们声称它。

    “There is no reason to believe that GNU/Linux has any greater risk of infringing patents than Windows, Unix-based or any other functionally similar operating system. “有没有理由相信GNU / Linux上有任何的风险更大侵权的专利比Windows ， Unix为基础的或任何其他功能类似的操作系统。 Why?为什么？ Because patents are infringed by specific structures that accomplish specific functionality.”….因为专利受到侵犯的具体结构，完成特定的功能。 “ … … 。

    Ravicher said the crucial difference between his report and Ballmer’s use of it was in the distinction between potential and actual patent violation. Ravicher说最重要的区别，他的报告和鲍尔默的使用，它是在区分潜在的和实际的侵害专利。

    “Ballmer makes a very bold statement by saying Linux infringes hundreds of patents,” Ravicher said. “巴尔默作出了非常大胆的声明说， Linux侵犯数以百计的专利， ” Ravicher说。 “That is extremely different than saying ‘Linux potentially infringes x patent’, because the requirement to prove infringement is much more difficult than the requirement to simply file a case claiming infringement. “这是非常不同的比说的Linux可能侵犯了x专利' ，因为要求，以证明侵权更为困难比的要求，简单的档案的案件，声称侵犯。

    “He misconstrues the point of the OSRM study, which found that Linux potentially, not definitely, infringes 283 untested patents, while not infringing a single court-validated patent.” “他misconstrues点的osrm研究，发现Linux的可能，而不是肯定，侵犯了283未经考验的专利，而不是一个单一的侵权法院审定的专利” 。

    Once again though, these are US patents, and are not infringed by activities in another country.再次，虽然，这些都是美国专利，并没有侵犯活动，在另一个国家。

19. psychicist Says: psychicist说：
    July 15th, 2008 at 9:41 pm 2008年7月15日在下午9点41分

    I have the previous Fuloong with the Loongson 2E processor and it’s been in use for more than a year now as a 24×7 desktop and development machine (for distribution porting).我有前fuloong与龙芯2e处理器和它的一直在使用了一年多，现在作为一个24 × 7的桌面和发展的机（配移植） 。 Not to mention that my familiy have been using it as their main computer during all that time and it hasn’t exactly fallen short, particularly after upgrading the internal hard drive and memory.更不用提，我致力于家庭已使用它作为其主要的电脑在所有的时间和它不完全下降，短期内，特别是升级后的内部硬盘驱动器和记忆。

20. Buxi Says: buxi说：
    July 15th, 2008 at 11:02 pm 2008年7月15日在下午11时02分

    @psychicist, @ psychicist ，

    Interesting, good to hear.有趣的，良好的听到。 Did that version also use a similar Linux distribution?这样做的版本也采用类似的Linux发行？ Users on the official Lemote forum seems to be talking about the OS being a little slow, compared to other Debian-based distributions.用户对官方lemote论坛似乎是在谈论操作系统作为一个小缓慢，相比其他Debian为基础的分布。 I’m curious if you’ve done anything about that.我很好奇，如果您做过什么关于这一点。

    Is there any hope for a Wine-type solution for MIPS64 architectures?是否有任何的希望葡萄酒型的解决方案mips64架构？ I’m not at all married to Windows, but I know many other users are.我不是在所有已婚到Windows ，但我知道许多其他用户。

    I’m really looking to get one if/when it becomes available.我真的希望得到一个，如果/当它成为可用。

21. psychicist Says: psychicist说：
    July 16th, 2008 at 8:51 pm 2008年7月16日在下午8时51分

    @ Buxi @ buxi

    It came with a slightly modified Debian 4.0 installation and a version of Rays which I’ve never even booted.它与略作修改的Debian 4.0安装和版本的射线，其中我从来没有，甚至启动。 I’m running my Slackware port on it, maybe that’s why I don’t find it particularly slow for its clock speed.我运行我的Slackware的端口上它，也许这就是为什么我不觉得它特别缓慢，其时钟速度。 I’ve built o32 binaries with MIPS III optimisation and it’s running a 64-bit kernel so I have access to the full 1 GB of memory.我已经建成o32二进制文件与MIPS三，优化和它的运行64位内核，所以我接触到的全部1 GB的记忆体。 I’ve also completed a pure MIPS64 build that I’ll be developing internally until I think it’s good enough to be released for testing purposes.我也完成了一个纯粹的mips64建设，我将发展中国家内部，直到我认为它的不够好被释放，以便进行测试。

    I’ll have a look at creating a multilib version using an n32 user land and see if that makes any performance difference.我会看看在创造一个multilib版本使用1 n32使用者的土地，看看是否使任何的性能差异。 I’m waiting for the release of the new systems too, but that’s fortunately going to be really soon.我等待释放新系统太，但的，幸好，将会尽快真的。 There will probably be a functional QEMU build which can run Linux binaries for other architectures such as x86 and WINE can be run under that with a performance penalty.有可能会被一个功能qemu建立可运行Linux的二进制文件的其他架构，如x86和葡萄酒可以下运行，随着性能的刑罚。

    Another option that I haven’t explored yet is Bochs, but despite recent interesting developments I don’t expect it to be fast enough for serious use.另一种选择，我没有探索，但是bochs ，但尽管最近有趣的一项发展，我不期望它是不够快，对严重使用。 I hope it will be able to run anything up to Windows 2000 with moderate speed, though.我希望这将能够运行的任何行动到Windows 2000与温和的速度，虽然。 You can expect better performance when a future version of Loongson will implement binary translation support.你可以预期有更好的表现时，未来版本的龙芯将执行二进制翻译的支持。

    Still, I think you should stick to x86 hardware if you want to run Windows software at the moment.尽管如此，我认为你应该坚持x86硬件如果你想运行Windows软件于11.942美元。 It doesn’t have to be desktop hardware, you could have a server with Terminal Services or virtualised Windows desktops for that purpose.这并不一定要桌面硬件，您可以有一个服务器与终端服务或虚拟化的Windows桌上型电脑作此用途。 There are already 3 large vendors of x86 processors, so I don’t think other companies should waste their time creating another one, when it’s much easier to create an innovative and high-performance processor without having to deal with the x86 legacy.已经有3大供应商的x86处理器，因此，我不认为其他公司应该浪费他们的时间，创造另一次，当它的容易得多，以营造一个创新，高性能的处理器，而不需要处理与x86的遗产。

22. Alejandro Mery Says: 亚历杭mery说：
    July 20th, 2008 at 8:00 pm 2008年7月20日在下午八时

    Thanks for your review,感谢您的检讨，
    do you know how can one buy a fuloong mini 2f from outside china?你知不知道如何能一买fuloong迷你2楼从中国以外的呢？ and getting it shipped outside china too of course和越来越发货以外的中国也当然

    Thanks in advance感谢在前进

23. Chops Says: 印章说：
    September 5th, 2008 at 2:07 am 2008年9月5日在上午02时07分

    China Aims for Petaflop Computer in 2010中国的目的是为petaflop计算机在2010年

    ‘China has stepped up investment in its homegrown Godson microprocessor and hopes to build its first petaflop-class supercomputer using the chip in 2010, one of the country’s senior engineers said on Tuesday. '中国已加紧投资在其本土龙芯微处理器，并希望建立其第一petaflop级超级计算机使用的芯片在2010年，一个国家的资深工程师说，周二。

    The country still lags behind its international rivals in chip development but is doing its best to catch up, he said in a presentation at the Hot Chips conference in Palo Alto, California.该国仍然落后于它的国际竞争对手在芯片发展，而且正在尽最大的努力赶上来，他说，在介绍了在炎热的芯片会议在加州帕罗阿图。

    China has produced four Godson processors, the latest being the Godson 2f.中国已制作4的龙芯处理器，最近龙芯2楼。 It struck a deal last year with STMicroelectronics to manufacture and sell the chips, and they are now used by 40 companies in set-top boxes, laptops and other products, Xu said.它是一个处理去年与意法半导体制造和销售芯片，和他们现在所使用的40家公司在一套机顶盒，笔记本电脑和其他产品，徐说。 The commercial name for the chips is Loongson.商业名称为筹码，是龙芯。

    Next month China will complete the design of a new version of the chip, the Godson 2g, which integrates more functionality on the silicon.下个月，中国将完成设计的一个新版本的芯片，龙芯二克，其中整合更多的功能就硅。 Next year it hopes to include graphics capabilities on the same silicon as the main processor, much as AMD and Intel are doing today.明年希望包括图形功能在同一硅为主体的处理器，虽然AMD和英特尔正在做的今天。

    China is also hard at work on the Godson 3, which is aimed primarily at servers and will be the first Godson to use a multi-core design.中国也是努力工作的龙芯三，这是主要针对服务器和将首先龙芯使用多核心设计。 A version of the chip due in 2009 will have four general-purpose cores, and four specialized cores for tasks like scientific computing.一种版本的芯片，由于在2009年将有4个一般用途的核心，和四个专门核心任务一样，科学计算。 The general-purpose cores will run at 1GHz and be similar to those on the Godson 2, Xu said.一般用途的核心将运行在1GHz和类似那些在龙芯2 ，徐说。

    China hopes the Godson 3 will allow it to build a high-performance computer in 2010 that can perform at one petaflop per second, Xu said.中国希望龙芯3将使它能够建设一个高水平的高性能计算机在2010年可以执行在1 petaflop每秒，徐说。 That would match the IBM system based on an advanced Cell processor that led this year’s Top500 list of the world’s fastest supercomputers.这将符合IBM系统基于先进的Cell处理器，导致今年的500强名单，世界上速度最快的超级计算机。

    Asked after his speech if the goal is realistic, Xu said, “it’s possible, but it will be hard.” Besides developing the system, China will have to find markets to sell it to, he noted.问演讲结束后如果目标是现实的，徐说： “这是可能的，但将难以”除了发展该系统，中国将不得不寻找市场出售，他指出。 The US is skittish about buying Chinese equipment for government-related work for security reasons.美国是skittish购买中国设备的政府有关的工作，出于安全原因。

    Godson’s use in PCs has been held back by the fact that it is based on a MIPS core, as opposed to the x86 design used by Intel and AMD.龙芯的使用在个人电脑已举行回事实，即它是基于对MIPS的核心，作为反对x86架构的设计所采用的英特尔和AMD 。 To run Windows it has to use translation software to achieve x86-compatibility, and the Godson loses a lot of its native MIPS power in the process.’要运行Windows ，它已使用翻译软件，实现x86的兼容性，和龙芯失去了很多其本土MIPS的权力，在这个过程中。

    http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/150342/china_aims_for_petaflop_computer_in_2010.html

24. RMBWhat Says: rmbwhat说：
    September 9th, 2008 at 3:37 am 2008年9月9日在上午03时37分

    OMG @ Jeni, that website is full of troll-bs Argghh… omg @ jeni ，该网站是充满特罗尔-第BS argghh …

    Anyways, Buxi, are you talking about DVD player software? anyways ， buxi ，你谈到DVD播放机的软件？ I’m currently using a “wussie” linux distro, ubuntu 8.10.我目前使用的“ wussie ”的Linux distro ， Ubuntu的8.10 。 It works great.它的伟大工程。 You download restricted codecs with one click (or apt-get it) and viola everything works.您下载的限制编解码器，只要按一下（或apt - get IT ）和中提琴的一切工程。 If you hardware is not the latest and greatest then I don’t see you having any problems with it.如果您的硬件是不是最新的和最大的的话，我不看你有任何问题。 Also, VLC media player is awesome.此外， vlc Media Player是可怕。 Just have to download the dvd crack thing that usually is part of the restricted codec package for you distro.只是下载DVD的裂缝的事，通常是部分的限制，编解码器包你distro 。 I think as long as you have a legitimate DVD player then the crack is legit, not sure tho.我认为只要你有一个合法的DVD播放机的话，打击是合法，不知道寿。

    According to the wiki article they already built a 1 tflops supercomputer with it for about $100,000.根据wiki上的文章，他们已经建起了一tflops的超级计算机与资讯科技有关一十〇点〇 〇 〇万美元。 I can definitely see some uses for it.我可以肯定看到一些用途。 You can buy a Nvidia telsa, the 3tflop one, for about $20,000 I think.您可以购买的NVIDIA telsa ， 3tflop一，约二点零零零万美元我认为。

25. Wukailong Says: wukailong说：
    September 9th, 2008 at 6:44 am 2008年9月9日在上午06时44分

    Hmm, this might be something for me. HMM的，这可能是一些对我来说。 I’ve been thinking of taking up programming under Linux again after all these years, and buy a cheap PC to complement my Mac.我一直在思考以编程Linux下再次毕竟这些年来，购买廉价的PC机，以配合我的Mac 。 It certainly looks like a good machine to do experiments with.当然，看起来像一个良好的机器做实验。

26. RMBWhat Says: rmbwhat说：
    September 9th, 2008 at 8:33 am 2008年9月9日在上午8时33分

    Yeah.嗯。 Linux is awesome for programming. Linux是可怕编程。 The only reason I still keep a windoze box (yeah WINDOZE Jerry, HAHA) is to play games.唯一的理由我仍然保持windoze框（嗯windoze杰里， haha ）是为了玩游戏。 But I hardly boot-up windows anymore for games, since gaming is a distraction to work, hehe.但我难以启动安装Windows了游戏，因为游戏是一个分心的工作，赫赫。

    So you what you planning on programming Wukailong?所以你什么你的规划，规划wukailong ？ C++? C + +的？ Java? Java的？ Python?巨蟒？ Php? PHP中呢？ Web-development? Web的发展呢？ Graphixs? graphixs ？ What?什么？

27. Wukailong Says: wukailong说：
    September 9th, 2008 at 9:55 am 2008年9月9日在上午09时55分

    I want to have a go at some framebuffer programming, perhaps doing something with this long-dead project (mostly for fun though, I don’t have time or energy to revive it):我想有一个去一些framebuffer编程，或许做一些与这个存在已久的死项目（大多为乐趣，虽然，我手边没有时间或精力去恢复它） ：

    http://www.y-windows.org/

    I mostly program in Objective-C using a Mac, but Linux would be great for doing low-level programming and optimizing. i大多是在计划目标- C的使用的是Mac ，但Linux的将是很大的做低层次的编程和优化。

28. Wukailong Says: wukailong说：
    September 9th, 2008 at 9:57 am 2008年9月9日在上午09时57分

    Hmm, looks like I was caught in a spam filter… Hope the comment comes back soon, or I’ll repost it. HMM的，好像我是处于一个垃圾邮件过滤器…希望评论回来不久，或者我会已收到。

29. BMY Says: bmy说：
    September 9th, 2008 at 12:09 pm 2008年9月9日在下午12时09分

    @wukailong, @ wukailong ，

    You are the first one I heard of a programmer using a Mac.(I knew there were but not many at all).It’s good to know.您是第一次我听到一个程序员使用的是Mac 。 （我知道有，但不多，在所有） 。它的好知道。
    I’ve met all graphic people on the Macs.我找到了我的所有图形的人对互助委员会。

30. Wukailong Says: wukailong说：
    September 9th, 2008 at 1:05 pm 2008年9月9日在下午1时05分

    @BMY: I used to be a Linux type, but then I switched to Mac because it is all Unix I need, plus it is a stable platform with a nice touch. @ bmy ：我以前是一名Linux的类型，但后来我切换到Mac ，因为它是所有Unix的，我需要，再加上它是一个稳定的平台与尼斯接触。 But I would like to do more cross-platform stuff, and Linux is best for tinkering about.但我想多做一些跨平台的东西，和Linux是最好的修补。

31. RMBWhat Says: rmbwhat说：
    September 9th, 2008 at 5:33 pm 2008年9月9日在下午5时33分

    Yeah Mac rocks now, way better than Windoze.是啊Mac上的岩石，现在的方式优于windoze 。 There are also lots of Mac programmers too.也有很多的Mac程序员太多。 I’ve noticed a trend lately that many are moving to Mac environment for development if given the chance to (ie company upgrade).我发现一种趋势，最近有很多正在为Mac的发展环境，如果有机会（即公司升级） 。

    @Wukailong @ wukailong

    Wow, that sounds awesome.哇，听起来很可怕。 I’m sure you know what you doing, hehe :).我敢肯定，你知道你在做什么，赫赫： ） 。

    I just mess with opengl and shaders.我只是一塌糊涂与OpenGL和着色。

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